Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate

[smittims]

Re Korngold and 'Coast' , sometimes music written for TV or films imitates or even copies existing works. Over the years I've heard bits of Elgar and Rachmaninov in supposedly original film and TV scores.

[oddoneout]

Re Korngold and 'Coast' , sometimes music written for TV or films imitates or even copies existing works. Over the years I've heard bits of Elgar and Rachmaninov in supposedly original film and TV scores.

I wonder if the theme composer had heard the Korngold at some point and so it was circulating, subconsciously, during the composing process. It does accompany the opening images well it has to be said.

[smittims]

I well recall a TV drama in the 1970s whose title track was a long chunk of Elgar's first symphony, bowdlerised and re-scored but close enough to the original to be a clear breach of copyright. It was played only in the first episode, and then replaced by something else. I wonder if someone 'called them out' as the feminists say.

[JasonPalmer]

Some nice singing on essential classics this morning, what a top tastic programme.

[JasonPalmer]

She playing some nina Simone now, as requested by the listeners. Pop pickers choose the spinning records. Smash is and Nicey tastic

[Master Jacques]

I don't know who that was singing Berlioz's 'L'île inconnue' just now, but it certainly was not Janet Baker with the Philharmonia under Barbirolli, as claimed on the website, and in Georgia Mann's introductions. Does anyone know who the soprano was? She was good!

[Ein Heldenleben]

I don't know who that was singing Berlioz's 'L'île inconnue' just now, but it certainly was not Janet Baker with the Philharmonia under Barbirolli, as claimed on the website, and in Georgia Mann's introductions. Does anyone know who the soprano was? She was good!

Sounded nothing like JB . A young voice and , to my ears , a very good French accent. Maybe a native speaker ?

[Master Jacques]

Sounded nothing like JB . A young voice and , to my ears , a very good French accent. Maybe a native speaker ?

I'm sure you are right about the native speaker, but I don't think it was Crespin or Danco, for example. There was no on-air correction, and they've not corrected the web page listing either. Nor did I get a reply. This is pretty basic incompetence: you'd think someone around the studio this morning would know what Janet Baker sounds like, and what she doesn't.

[Ein Heldenleben]

I'm sure you are right about the native speaker, but I don't think it was Crespin or Danco, for example. There was no on-air correction, and they've not corrected the web page listing either. Nor did I get a reply. This is pretty basic incompetence: you'd think someone around the studio this morning would know what Janet Baker sounds like, and what she doesn't.

No too modern a recording. Natalie Dessay ? She has recorded it (2016) and eight years ago her voice had that youthful sweetness

[Andrew Slater]

It could be Catherine Robbin, Orchestre de l'Opéra de Lyon, Sir John Eliot Gardiner - see:

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9485378--john-eliot-gardiner-his-erato-recordings

I've just run the Presto sample in parallel with Sounds (1:49:17 in) and it seemed to match fairly well.

But then again I could have cloth ears .....

[Ein Heldenleben]

It could be Catherine Robbin, Orchestre de l'Opéra de Lyon, Sir John Eliot Gardiner - see:

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9485378--john-eliot-gardiner-his-erato-recordings

I've just run the Presto sample in parallel with Sounds (1:49:17 in) and it seemed to match fairly well.

But then again I could have cloth ears .....

Listened to the opening of both a few times and I reckon you are right.

[Master Jacques]

It could be Catherine Robbin, Orchestre de l'Opéra de Lyon, Sir John Eliot Gardiner - see:

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/products/9485378--john-eliot-gardiner-his-erato-recordings

I've just run the Presto sample in parallel with Sounds (1:49:17 in) and it seemed to match fairly well.

But then again I could have cloth ears .....

Yes, another 'thank you', Andrew. Definitely the performance heard on Essential Classics this morning, though the website persists in the Baker/Barbirolli claim. Good sleuthing! Robbin is excellent, though I find JEG and his band a touch too hard-driven, listening to it again.

[Andrew Slater]

Listened to the opening of both a few times and I reckon you are right.

Yes, another 'thank you', Andrew. Definitely the performance heard on Essential Classics this morning, though the website persists in the Baker/Barbirolli claim. Good sleuthing! Robbin is excellent, though I find JEG and his band a touch too hard-driven, listening to it again.

Pure luck: I wondered whether the wrong 'Warner' recording had been quoted and found this recording fairly quickly. I would have given up if a few more tries had failed to turn up a candidate.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Pure luck: I wondered whether the wrong 'Warner' recording had been quoted and found this recording fairly quickly. I would have given up if a few more tries had failed to turn up a candidate.

Well I hope the BBC payment system corrects the error. I wouldn’t want JEG and the superb Robbin to lose out on their ( not very substantial) rep payment.

[JasonPalmer]

Nice picks this morning....