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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30250

    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
    Depends on who you're batting for, I suppose...
    Thought you might have been the one to point out that Le Grillon could be considered a sort of cricket bat.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • cloughie
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      • Dec 2011
      • 22115

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Thought you might have been the one to point out that Le Grillon could be considered a sort of cricket bat.
      For French Cricket maybe?

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      • gradus
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        • Nov 2010
        • 5604

        Originally posted by french frank View Post
        As in "related to" the bat?????
        Yup, Cricket.

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        • Serial_Apologist
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          • Dec 2010
          • 37602

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          Thought you might have been the one to point out that Le Grillon could be considered a sort of cricket bat.
          I wasn't aware actually , but thanks for the unintended thumbs-up!

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          • gradus
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            • Nov 2010
            • 5604

            ff didn't Rameau-m the point.

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            • french frank
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              • Feb 2007
              • 30250

              Originally posted by gradus View Post
              ff didn't Rameau-m the point.
              I can be a bit oblique at times …

              Proust describes his two aunts who are constantly making obscure allusions under the misapprehension that they HAVE imparted some fact perfectly clearly, when in fact no one has even followed them closely enough to realise that they are mystified. Eg "Oh, I think someone" [exchanging knowing glance] "was extremely pleased …" = I did tell Mr. X yesterday and he was pleased to hear it.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30250

                Actually, what I was going to say was that I finally got round to throwing out a lot of the old FoR3 archive (the BBC will have kept copies, I'm sure ) and came across an article by a blogger on his radio listening:

                "I've just been listening to this afternoon's Lunchtime Concert on BBC Radio 3 [It was J-E Bavouzet, Debussy Preludes Bk 2] ... It was interesting to listen to, but not being knowledgeable about classical music, I think I'll stick to the presenter-led shows so that I know what's going on!"

                Should have stuck to Essential Classics.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • oddoneout
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                  • Nov 2015
                  • 9145

                  A lovely bit of cheerfulness just now - Contradanse from Rameau's Les Boreades . Not the greatest bit of music perhaps but hats off to the trumpeter for a lively and immaculate display of virtuosity.

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                  • JasonPalmer
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                    • Dec 2022
                    • 826

                    Enjoying listening this morning.
                    Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                    • JasonPalmer
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                      • Dec 2022
                      • 826

                      Oooo interesting facts about this Mozart piece, you live and learn with radio 3. I raise a mug of coffee to say hi to fellow listeners.
                      Annoyingly listening to and commenting on radio 3...

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                      • Ein Heldenleben
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                        • Apr 2014
                        • 6754

                        Originally posted by JasonPalmer View Post
                        Oooo interesting facts about this Mozart piece, you live and learn with radio 3. I raise a mug of coffee to say hi to fellow listeners.
                        Yes agreed . I wasn’t aware of the divided violas often playing in thirds. That contributes to its sombre heavier feel. It wasn’t till I looked at the score that I clocked that the soloists play with the orchestra as well. Do they get paid extra? Never seen it live - I wonder why it’s so relatively rarely performed compared to say K.488 or K.467? It s a full on masterpiece..

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                        • cloughie
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                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22115

                          Originally posted by JasonPalmer View Post
                          Oooo interesting facts about this Mozart piece, you live and learn with radio 3. I raise a mug of coffee to say hi to fellow listeners.
                          Which Mozart piece?

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                          • Ein Heldenleben
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                            • Apr 2014
                            • 6754

                            Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                            Which Mozart piece?
                            Sinfonia Concertante for Violin and Viola

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                            • cloughie
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                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22115

                              Originally posted by Ein Heldenleben View Post
                              Sinfonia Concertante for Violin and Viola
                              One of Mozart’s very best, EH - I had the CBS Stern Zukerman ECO Barenboim LP, lovely, as was the Stamitz SC as coupling it introduced to me!

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                              • oddoneout
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                                • Nov 2015
                                • 9145

                                I missed this as I had to go out just before it came on. It is one of my favourite pieces, perhaps because I played viola in my youth. It always seems to give the soloists so much pleasure as well - evident if one can see their faces, but coming across even if just heard. A long time ago I saw a TV broadcast(can't remember who the soloists were except they were big names at that time, possibly Perlman and Zukerman) where it was a case of "anything you can do" as phrases were tossed to and fro with raised eyebrows or a quirk of the mouth; it was a joy to watch. I don't think I've heard a performance that I've hated, as the music seems to rise above that, but there are times where I've felt the sounds of the instruments were too similar. I like there to be a contrast between the two that comes from violas with more of a viol like sound; it's possible that decision about tuning - scordatura or not - might influence that as well.
                                This http://www.viola-in-music.com/Mozart...ncertante.html is a bit messy but includes some interesting bits. In the paragraph about the score is a possible explanation of the solo/orchestra parts that EH mentions.
                                A round up of recordings https://www.gramophone.co.uk/feature...olin-and-viola

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