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  • cloughie
    Full Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 22114

    Listened briefly this morning - asking for something to follow Monteverdi Vespers - on a bright blue sky sunshining morning I thought Montepython ‘Always look on the bright side of life’ would be a good fit - no I didn’t trouble my email!

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    • antongould
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      • Nov 2010
      • 8778

      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      Listened briefly this morning - asking for something to follow Monteverdi Vespers - on a bright blue sky sunshining morning I thought Montepython ‘Always look on the bright side of life’ would be a good fit - no I didn’t trouble my email!
      Next time cloughers ...... you know it makes sense and E_A’s day .....

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37589

        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
        Listened briefly this morning - asking for something to follow Monteverdi Vespers - on a bright blue sky sunshining morning I thought Montepython ‘Always look on the bright side of life’ would be a good fit - no I didn’t trouble my email!
        Never mind Monty Green- it's a timely number for today!

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        • Richard Tarleton

          Came in through the front door to hear the opening strains of the Kodály cello sonata. First thought: that's nice (I have Natalie's CD, along with Janos Starker's, and indeed saw her play it live around the time she made the CD). Second thought: Isn't this rather long for the EC attention span? It was . What, exactly, is the point of playing just 9 minutes of this marvellous work?

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
            Came in through the front door to hear the opening strains of the Kodály cello sonata. First thought: that's nice (I have Natalie's CD, along with Janos Starker's, and indeed saw her play it live around the time she made the CD). Second thought: Isn't this rather long for the EC attention span? It was . What, exactly, is the point of playing just 9 minutes of this marvellous work?
            Clearly the aim is to get you to switch over to Radio 4 for Can Hip Hop Save Ballet?

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30241

              Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
              What, exactly, is the point of playing just 9 minutes of this marvellous work?
              I suppose it could be to stop people recording the work off air. Play 9 minutes of it and people who find it attractive will go out and buy the CD, won't they? Play single movements from five works and they'll go out and buy 5 CDs. Simple …

              It's a strategy for those listeners who want as much musical variety in a programme as possible - the 'entry point' listeners who aren't yet ready to concentrate on a 30-minute work. [Don't blame me for being patronising - it isn't my strategy!]
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Serial_Apologist
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 37589

                Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                Came in through the front door to hear the opening strains of the Kodály cello sonata. First thought: that's nice (I have Natalie's CD, along with Janos Starker's, and indeed saw her play it live around the time she made the CD). Second thought: Isn't this rather long for the EC attention span? It was . What, exactly, is the point of playing just 9 minutes of this marvellous work?
                Especially given that the whole work only lasts about 15: the slow Debussyian first movement being followed by a shorter movement exposing a number of attractive folkish themes interpsersed by dreamy intervals.

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                • Cockney Sparrow
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                  • Jan 2014
                  • 2281

                  Playing all of the Building a Library choice (except extensive works, opera etc) didn't last that long. I imagine the recording industry lobbied against it......

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                  • LeMartinPecheur
                    Full Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 4717

                    Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                    Especially given that the whole work only lasts about 15: the slow Debussyian first movement being followed by a shorter movement exposing a number of attractive folkish themes interpsersed by dreamy intervals.
                    Which Kodaly cello sonata are we talking about? The solo sonata is 30+ mins.
                    I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                    • Serial_Apologist
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37589

                      Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                      Which Kodaly cello sonata are we talking about? The solo sonata is 30+ mins.
                      Oh, I apologise if I've got the wrong sonata!

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                      • LeMartinPecheur
                        Full Member
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 4717

                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        Oh, I apologise if I've got the wrong sonata!
                        SA: I don't know that you have! Mine was a genuine question as I didn't hear the programme. But since there were no pianists credited in RT's original 'gripe' I'd assumed on first reading that it was the solo one, a work very dear to my heart.
                        I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!

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                        • Richard Tarleton

                          Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                          SA: I don't know that you have! Mine was a genuine question as I didn't hear the programme. But since there were no pianists credited in RT's original 'gripe' I'd assumed on first reading that it was the solo one, a work very dear to my heart.
                          The solo one it was. Starker 30:42, Clein a fraction slower at 33:52 (she takes nearly 2 mins more over the slow movement, packing even more gran espressione into it ). I'm sure you're right ff but it seems such a dreadful place to stop. I didn't hear what SK played next, but...couldn't she have just let it play out?
                          Last edited by Guest; 04-04-19, 13:52.

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                          • Serial_Apologist
                            Full Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 37589

                            Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Post
                            SA: I don't know that you have! Mine was a genuine question as I didn't hear the programme. But since there were no pianists credited in RT's original 'gripe' I'd assumed on first reading that it was the solo one, a work very dear to my heart.
                            Often people refer to violin sonatas or those written for other instruments as if they were featured alone. I myself have probably referred more times than I should ever have done to Bartok's two violin sonatas, whereas I know that he composed two sonatas for violin and piano in 1921/22 and his only solo violin sonata in 1944!

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                            • Serial_Apologist
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 37589

                              Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View Post
                              The solo one it was. Starker 30:42, Clein a fraction slower at 33:52 (she takes nearly 2 mins more over the slow movement, packing even more gran espressione into it ). I'm sure you're right ff but it seems such a dreadful place to stop. I didn't hear what SK played next, but...couldn't she have just let it play out?
                              Yes, absolutely agree: such practices are cruel and amount to an equivalent of coitus interruptus: musicus interruptus, perhaps?

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                              • Richard Tarleton

                                Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                                Yes, absolutely agree: such practices are cruel and amount to an equivalent of coitus interruptus: musicus interruptus, perhaps?
                                Exactly!

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