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  • ferneyhoughgeliebte
    Gone fishin'
    • Sep 2011
    • 30163

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
    ... not even when reciting :
    https://www.bartleby.com/246/108.html
    I can't say that I've ever had the pleasure!
    [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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    • Richard Tarleton

      Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
      Interesting that we anglicise Rome , Vienna etc but now make an attempt to get Chinese cities right .
      Likewise some Spanish cities - Cadiz, Seville [sic], Madrid....and Majorca, Robert Graves has much to answer for.

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      • Serial_Apologist
        Full Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 37602

        Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
        .
        Rheims/Reims? ( English: /riːmz/; French: /ʁɛ̃s/ )

        ... or again :

        Armentières ( French : /aʁmɑ̃tjɛːʁ/ )

        (English : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtiynnETOlM )


        [ ... message to self : never use the phrase "with the sole exception" ]



        .
        Ma sails.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20570

          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
          That would be going too far I think. I think the policy , as far as possible, is to be accurate . Interesting that we anglicise Rome , Vienna etc but now make an attempt to get Chinese cities right .
          And as for renaming Firenze to make it sound like a Magic Roundabout character...

          Do you remember when we used to add an S to both Lyon and Marseille to make them look more French?

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          • Bryn
            Banned
            • Mar 2007
            • 24688

            Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
            And as for renaming Firenze to make it sound like a Magic Roundabout character...

            Do you remember when we used to add an S to both Lyon and Marseille to make them look more French?
            As in "Leigh-on-Sea" and "Ma sails", you meant?

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            • Bryn
              Banned
              • Mar 2007
              • 24688

              Good choice of recording for Spem in alium just now. Recorded in the round, the singers standing in a circle, IIRC.

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              • oddoneout
                Full Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 9145

                Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                Good choice of recording for Spem in alium just now. Recorded in the round, the singers standing in a circle, IIRC.
                How are the singers arranged - choirs or voices and how does one record and listen to that?

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                • Bryn
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 24688

                  Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                  How are the singers arranged - choirs or voices and how does one record and listen to that?
                  I can't find the image of he actual choir in action, but the arrangement was much as here:



                  Though usually encountered on CD, the recording was also issued in surround SACD format.

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                  • oddoneout
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2015
                    • 9145

                    Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                    I can't find the image of he actual choir in action, but the arrangement was much as here:



                    Though usually encountered on CD, the recording was also issued in surround SACD format.

                    That looks like the set-up for Janet Cardiff's art installation version? I was lucky enough to be able to experience that in an empty medieval church some years ago, but that was why I was wondering about the recorded version. How does the sound of the CD shown differ from conventionally arranged recordings?

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                    • underthecountertenor
                      Full Member
                      • Apr 2011
                      • 1584

                      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                      That looks like the set-up for Janet Cardiff's art installation version? I was lucky enough to be able to experience that in an empty medieval church some years ago, but that was why I was wondering about the recorded version. How does the sound of the CD shown differ from conventionally arranged recordings?
                      Yes, that looks like the Cardiff. I was in that - if we'd realised at the time just how durable and globe-trotting it was going to be, perhaps we'd have asked for a bigger fee! Seriously though, it's great to know that it has had such a good life (I heard it most recently at the Tate Modern).

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                        That looks like the set-up for Janet Cardiff's art installation version? I was lucky enough to be able to experience that in an empty medieval church some years ago, but that was why I was wondering about the recorded version. How does the sound of the CD shown differ from conventionally arranged recordings?
                        That's the surround SACD version. I have both (the CD turns up in various boxed sets). With the SACD and a suitably set up surround system, one is indeed surrounded by the singers. It's a long time since I listened to the disc on a surround system, I will have to dig it out and give it another spin.

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                        • underthecountertenor
                          Full Member
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 1584

                          Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                          That's the surround SACD version. I have both (the CD turns up in various boxed sets). With the SACD and a suitably set up surround system, one is indeed surrounded by the singers. It's a long time since I listened to the disc on a surround system, I will have to dig it out and give it another spin.
                          Oddoneout is referring to your first photo, and I agree that it looks like the Cardiff - the benches in the middle are the giveaway, I think.

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                          • Bryn
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 24688

                            Originally posted by underthecountertenor View Post
                            Oddoneout is referring to your first photo, and I agree that it looks like the Cardiff - the benches in the middle are the giveaway, I think.
                            Yes, I gathered that. As I wrote, I could not find the image I was looking for so posted that to give some idea of the disposition of the singers.

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                            • underthecountertenor
                              Full Member
                              • Apr 2011
                              • 1584

                              Originally posted by Bryn View Post
                              Yes, I gathered that. As I wrote, I could not find the image I was looking for so posted that to give some idea of the disposition of the singers.
                              Sorry. Misunderstood.

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                              • Bryn
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2007
                                • 24688

                                There is at least one other surround recording of Spem in alium availalbe, that by I Fagiolini and Robert Hollingworth. That, however, is on the DVD of a 2 disc set (CD + DVD) and in lossy Dolby DIgital 5.1 surround, audio only, and is of a version accompanied buy instruments (an attempt at a reconstruction of the original).

                                Having just listened to the I Fagiolini recording, I am now taking in the Hueglas Ensemble SACD. Quite, quite magical. If you have access to an SACD surround system, I would highly recommend getting this disc. https://www.prestomusic.com/classica...659--40-voices
                                Last edited by Bryn; 22-03-19, 13:46.

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