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  • oddoneout
    Full Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 9145

    Originally posted by LMcD View Post
    Suzy Klein is NEVER wrong, and the sooner we all come to our senses and acknowledge the fact the better.
    Well life is certainly pleasanter for not engaging in combat, but raises the question as to how far willful ignorance should be tolerated.

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    • LMcD
      Full Member
      • Sep 2017
      • 8410

      Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
      Well life is certainly pleasanter for not engaging in combat, but raises the question as to how far willful ignorance should be tolerated.
      She makes me feel (MADE me feel, actually, 'cos I now avoid her broadcasts like the plague) like Ronnie Corbett in that sketch: 'I know my place'.

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      • Eine Alpensinfonie
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 20570

        Originally posted by LMcD View Post
        Suzy Klein is NEVER wrong, and the sooner we all come to our senses and acknowledge the fact the better.
        Rumour has it that she expects to the next Prime Minister.

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37602

          Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
          Oh, that certainly is "counterintuitive"!
          I always thought "counterintuitive" was what young retail outlet wannabees write on their application forms to The Apprentice.

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22115

            Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
            I always thought "counterintuitive" was what young retail outlet wannabees write on their application forms to The Apprentice.
            No it’s a split sales area!

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            • Dave2002
              Full Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 18009

              Devil's chord

              I liked the short discussion about the tritone on Thursday. The trouble with this is that we're used to hearing so much music nowadays with dissonances which were disliked/banned in previous centuries that they just sound "normal". It's good to be reminded of these things from time to time though. There were some useful examples, including some from rock/pop music.

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              • Ein Heldenleben
                Full Member
                • Apr 2014
                • 6754

                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                Time for Head Girl Miss Suzy to be seen by the Head Teacher I think. We know she doesn't take correction or criticism well but being rude to listeners is a step too far. This morning we had 'yes I know it should be Concerti Grossi, so don't write in OK - but it sounds silly' [not as silly as concerto grossos] in a narky tone.
                Earlier there was a nice plug for a wood treatment product; we all know what company has 'does what it says on the tin', so no need to name it as well...or is that something else that has changed? I seem to remember product placement constraints have changed somewhat but I thought actually naming was still out.
                Ian Skelly has just used the supposedly silly (though linguistically accurate ) phrase Concerti Grossi.

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                • underthecountertenor
                  Full Member
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 1584

                  Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                  Ian Skelly has just used the supposedly silly (though linguistically accurate ) phrase Concerti Grossi.
                  I hope that it was both deliberate and pointed.

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                  • Ein Heldenleben
                    Full Member
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 6754

                    That would be going too far I think. I think the policy , as far as possible, is to be accurate . Interesting that we anglicise Rome , Vienna etc but now make an attempt to get Chinese cities right .

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22115

                      Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                      Ian Skelly has just used the supposedly silly (though linguistically accurate ) phrase Concerti Grossi.
                      Skelly 1 Klein 0

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                      • Bryn
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 24688

                        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                        That would be going too far I think. I think the policy , as far as possible, is to be accurate . Interesting that we anglicise Rome , Vienna etc but now make an attempt to get Chinese cities right .
                        With the clear exception of 香港 (Xiānggăng).

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                        • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                          Gone fishin'
                          • Sep 2011
                          • 30163

                          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                          Interesting that we anglicise Rome , Vienna etc but now make an attempt to get Chinese cities right .
                          But, with the sole exception of "Paris"*, all French towns and cities are pronounced with at least an attempt to reproduce the French pronunciations.


                          (* - unless there's an attempt at irony.)
                          [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                          • vinteuil
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 12793

                            Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                            But, with the sole exception of "Paris"*, all French towns and cities are pronounced with at least an attempt to reproduce the French pronunciations.


                            (* - unless there's an attempt at irony.)
                            .
                            Rheims/Reims? ( English: /riːmz/; French: /ʁɛ̃s/ )

                            ... or again :

                            Armentières ( French : /aʁmɑ̃tjɛːʁ/ )

                            (English : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtiynnETOlM )


                            [ ... message to self : never use the phrase "with the sole exception" ]



                            .
                            Last edited by vinteuil; 20-03-19, 14:20.

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                            • ferneyhoughgeliebte
                              Gone fishin'
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 30163

                              Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
                              [ ... message to self : never use the phrase "with the sole exception" ]
                              - I'm quite startled to see that I did!

                              (Although I do pronounce both those placenames with at least an attempt at what I think is the local pronunciation. Certainly not "reams" [as in paper] or "Are men tears".)
                              [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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                              • vinteuil
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 12793

                                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post

                                (Although I do pronounce those placenames with at least an attempt at what I think is the local pronunciation. Certainly not "reams" [as in paper.)
                                ... not even when reciting :

                                The Jackdaw of Rheims THE JACKDAW sat on the Cardinal’s chair!Bishop and abbot and prior were there;Many a monk, and many a friar,Many a knight, and many a squire,With a

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