Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate

[french frank]

No; the first time I heard the name mentioned, the emphasis was on the second and, as I mentioned, I think that most people do pronounce it this way and the composer himself also did so, but the reason why I've slipped into placing the emphasis on the first is due to the Sohrab and Rustum connection; I hope that I've now managed to clear up any confusion that I might inadvertently have caused over this!

No. I'm now even more confused. I think you must have meant 'second' where what you actually wrote was 'first' ('I imagine that most people place the emphasis on the first'). Do you mean the name Sohrab is pronounced on the first? That's even more confusing. I think I'll withdraw from the discussion, bemused.

[Keraulophone]

Yes, but the name is not of Indian origin.

Sorabji is a Parsi name, but on Forvo it has been categorised under Hindi, there being no Parsi language, and pronounced by a resident of Delhi.

[peterthekeys]

Sorabji is a Parsi name, but on Forvo it has been categorised under Hindi, there being no Parsi language, and pronounced by a resident of Delhi.

In "Mi Contra Fa", Sorabji describes himself as a Spanish-Sicilian Parsi (in connection with his intense hatred of being referred to as a British composer.)

[ahinton]

In "Mi Contra Fa", Sorabji describes himself as a Spanish-Sicilian Parsi (in connection with his intense hatred of being referred to as a British composer.)

Indeed he does, but he was nothing of the kind, as has been discovered thanks to researches by Sean Vaughn Owen; he has English on his mother's side and Zoroastrian Parsi on his father's but even that was more than enough to ensure his widespread vilification during his youth as a mixed race (dis)coloured person in UK.

[peterthekeys]

Indeed he does, but he was nothing of the kind, as has been discovered thanks to researches by Sean Vaughn Owen; he has English on his mother's side and Zoroastrian Parsi on his father's but even that was more than enough to ensure his widespread vilification during his youth as a mixed race (dis)coloured person in UK.

I see that his thesis is available on the Sorabji Archive page - I'll download and read it.

[peterthekeys]

I see that his thesis is available on the Sorabji Archive page - I'll download and read it.

I got through the first section this morning and am now well into the second. Absolutely fascinating: the amount of research that he must have done is mind-boggling.

[ahinton]

I got through the first section this morning and am now well into the second. Absolutely fascinating: the amount of research that he must have done is mind-boggling.

Isn't it just?! What's also especially useful about it is that, in concentrating principally on personal issues, it neatly complements works such as Paul Rapoport's Sorabji: A Critical Celebration and Marc-André Roberge's Opus Sorabjianum which is available from his Sorabji Resoruce Site.

[teamsaint]

Is this still the main EC thread ?

Anyway, my car CD player is on the blink, so I caught about an hour of EC a couple of times this week. It really is a race to the bottom with CFM. A shame that Skellers undoubted presenting ability and obvious enthusiasm and knowledge can't be better used.

[Frances_iom]

Is this still the main EC thread ?

whenever Sorabji is mentioned on these boards the discussion tends to be as long and as tedious as the music

[ahinton]

whenever Sorabji is mentioned on these boards the discussion tends to be as long and as tedious as the music

As this one appears to be far from long (so far, at any rate), one might reasonably presume that your claim of tedium on both counts is grossly exaggerated; that's not an invitation for you to lengthen it, though, especially as I imagine that Sorabji's work is unlikely to find its way onto Essential Classics other than by accident...

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

It's not long since Ian Skelly was a breath of fresh air, shunning the endless annoying and embarrassing tweets, texts and emails.

Now he's been dragged down to the BBC planners' dark-side, for he's tweeksmailing like the worst of them.

Worse than that, he's started to join unrelated bleeding chunks together. He did it twice on yesterday's programme, including the "follow today's tune on your playlist" when he chose two of the suggestions supposedly sent in by listeners and merged them together. Yet to play the two movements that Tchaikovsky wrote, to follow the waltz from his Serenade for Strings, would have been "wrong".

[DracoM]

[Stanfordian]

It's not long since Ian Skelly was a breath of fresh air, shunning the endless annoying and embarrassing tweets, texts and emails.

Now he's been dragged down to the BBC planners' dark-side, for he's tweeksmailing like the worst of them.

Worse than that, he's started to join unrelated bleeding chunks together. He did it twice on yesterday's programme, including the "follow today's tune on your playlist" when he chose two of the suggestions supposedly sent in by listeners and merged them together. Yet to play the two movements that Tchaikovsky wrote, to follow the waltz from his Serenade for Strings, would have been "wrong".

For me its become cringeworthy! I suppose I.S. feels it expedient to go with the flow that these young producers take. As soon as a newspaper gets new young reviewer in for films and tv programmes I instinctively know that I won't be agreeing.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

For me its become cringeworthy! I suppose I.S. feels it expedient to go with the flow that these young producers take. As soon as a newspaper gets new young reviewer in for films and tv programmes I instinctively know that I won't be agreeing.

The policy of copying CFM is weak and feeble, giving the signal that the BBC is unnecessary.

[antongould]

For me its become cringeworthy! I suppose I.S. feels it expedient to go with the flow that these young producers take. As soon as a newspaper gets new young reviewer in for films and tv programmes I instinctively know that I won't be agreeing.

Skellers has IMVVHO changed little, if at all, since his promotion ..... he never ignored tweets but he always took the Michael out of a significant number and still does. I feel the tweets / emails in response to the R3 playlist are interesting and often bring in composers new to me - who often get played. I am sure it is not stage managed and often even three pieces are played. I am puzzled as to what your problem is with “ .... new young ...” people ......