And I will keep saying, 'I/some people like it' is not an argument: it's a statement of individual preference. The point is whether this is really good enough for Radio 3.
Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostUnfortunately in today's environment I don't think that aspect can be totally disregarded.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI wonder on what they base their view that they won't have an audience if they play a few more longer works during the five and a half hours in the morning?
What do the other two Musketeers think? Could you cope with a shorter 'shorts' programme, leading on(ideally taking the opportunity to make at least one connection) to longer complete works?
And perhaps not confine such offerings solely to music. I have been finding some of the Time Traveler segments very interesting and would welcome slightly longer versions of the idea that puts a historical and/or social context to some musical item.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostIf Radio 3 continues to be a clone of CFM minus adverts, there's very little justification for it to continue.
But in those programmes where there is obvious aping of CFM, then I completely agree with you - if there is already a national broadcaster that offers a patchwork of short pieces, bleeding chunks, individual Movements from larger works, and " presenter/listener interaction, "then the Beeb should be offering something different, something distinct. Otherwise, there is no justification for it.
Earlier, on another Thread, I posted a listings for 2nd January, 1979. The content of the morning schedules there is what I relished listening to at the time, and which would get me listening to the station as eagerly at that time of day again. Is there anything on those programmes that anyone here would object to listening to during those hours?
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
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the march of the bleeding chunks
As the programme started today, Suzy Klein said that she would later be playing part of Mozart's Jupiter Symphony and invited listeners to say what they would follow it with. At that point I turned off in disgust. I've just sent in a very sarcastic email saying that if it wasn't the last movement, I'd follow it with the next movement, so I look forward to getting flamed by the producer. (I've just checked the schedule, and apparently it's the finale that they're broadcasting.)
A bleeding chunk of Mozart?
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostQuite possibly nothing that we would consider valid or useful, whichever side of this debate one is? What, if any, data do the decision makers have that could genuinely inform their decisions?
Classic FM has laid out its stall: to cater for a broad audience, and it doesn't need an informed listenership (conveniently, that works well with the necessity to have a fairly substantial audience that they can target with their adverts). The data they need are presumably the standard demographics of age, social class &c in order to target commercials, plus anything that is selling/proving generally popular at any given time).
Radio 1 serves an audience based on the 15-29 age group and plays the contemporary/new music that that group enjoys; plus a bit of 'social action' demanded of a public service broadcaster.
6 Music serves the 'grown-up' Radio 1 audience of average age c 40 with 'popular music' focusing on a wider time span and which didn't necessarily become hits.
And so on.
And that's what they each do. Radio 3 is unique in feeling (or having) the need to focus strongly on how they can attract a broader audience which is not necessarily informed, rather than the 'classical music/jazz/world and speech/arts audiences which have a primary interest in those areas. Inevitably they encroach on Classic FM's territory if they do that, and the evidence is that they DO attract Classic FM's listeners who are getting fed up with the adverts.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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'Now, dear little listener, did you like that piece you just heard?
'Oh yes, Miss, it was ...well...it was....it was just lovely...'
'Yes, it was, wasn't it. And there's a lot more of it if you like that.'
'Ooh, how nice! Can I hear it ? Can I hear it now?'
'No, not now. It would tire you out. So, instead........'
'Yes, yes?'
'I've got a lovely surprise for you. Would you like to know what the surprise is?'
'Ooh, yes please, Miss!'
' Right, well, what do you think is under this piece of paper?'
'I don't know, Miss'
'Well, why don't you have a guess?'
'But suppose I get it wrong, you'll laugh'.
'No, I won't - at least you wan't hear me laugh'.
'I'm not very good at guessing. And I don't know enough to have a really GOOD guess.'
'I'll give you ten minutes to see if you can have a guess. Just think what we heard just now that you liked, and tell me....'
'........tell you what would be a good thing to have after it?'
'Yes. well done, now you understand the challenge...'
'Ooh, is it a challenge! That's really exciting. Gosh, a real challenge! I feel all grown up...'
'Yes, it is good to feel grown up, isn't it? So while you're thinking really hard to make a guess, shall I tell you who I've got as a surprise for you?
'Another surprise? Gosh, and gosh....that's so good....is it another challenge...?'
'Not really. It's more a way of helping you to relax after all that challenge and tiring you out with the guessing.'
'That's very nice of you'.
'Yes, it is isn't it? so, now........who do you think is just coming into the room..?
'Is it.......Mozart?'
'No, don't be a silly billy, it's not Mozart....that'd really tire you all out all over again.....have another guess.'
'Well, could it be.......gosh, I can't make two guesses in such a short time....erm....erm....Is it Andy Pandy?'
'No, it's not Andy Pandy, but you're getting warmer......have another guess....?'
'It's not......Eeyore, is it? I love Eeyore.....
'No, it's not Eeyore - you're thinking of Uncle Ian or Aunty Susie, aren't you?
'Oh, yes, I am...how did you know that...anyway, who is it? I can't keep still for the excitement...'
'Alright, as you've been so good, I'll tell you........are you ready?
'Yes, yes!'
'It's the Time Traveller! There, I knew you'd be excited. So as a treat, I thought I'd get the Time Traveller in before I get you to make your guess for whatever should follow Gotterdammerung...remember, that was the challenge? You had to guess.........'
'.......what would be good to come after that....yes, I remember......'
'And what's your guess? Come on, don't be shy, it's your turn to take us forward....and after that, we'll get in a real Time Traveller, so.....come on, we're waiting..........
Well, it's.....it's.....
'Yes?'
'Ooh, I don't like to say it....'
'No, go on...we're all waiting, aren't we?'
[Noise as of a yawn]
'Well..........'
'Yes?'
'John Cage?'Last edited by DracoM; 21-02-18, 12:21.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostIf Radio 3 continues to be a clone of CFM minus adverts, there's very little justification for it to continue.Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostI think that this is only true of the pre-Noon broadcasts (and I can't comment on Breakfast, as I'm rarely up at that time these days) and In Tune.
No wonder the Radio 3 audience only listens to the station for about 6 hours per week: some have very little to tune into, others have a great deal, but just drop in for a listen in between doing other things.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI wonder on what they base their view that they won't have an audience if they play a few more longer works during the five and a half hours in the morning?
If the listeners who can't concentrate on a 30 minute work leave the station so be it; they'll find they're already catered for on Classic FM. My own view is that many of those who feel intimidated by longer works will be pleasantly surprised by how a complete symphony is actually more rewarding than a diet of bleeding chunks, and that listener numbers could rise significantly. Worth a trial anyway I would have thought.
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