Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate

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  • VodkaDilc

    Perhaps this has already been commented on. I never listen to the sort of programmes this thread refers to, but I did hear CD Review yesterday. In a gap towards the end, there was an advert for a Rob Cowen programme. (Yes, I thought that the BBC didn't have adverts - they've lost one of their major advantages over the other stations by introducing them.) I never expected to hear such rubbish from a (formerly) respected critic like RC: all about people stopping in their cars to text in to say they were in tears because of the music being played! It's got even worse than I realised! Surely even the targeted 'new' audience for R3 would be put off by such sentimental tripe.

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    • Norfolk Born

      I think that, unless the repertoire changes, the programme should be retitled 'Predictable Classics'. (Another couple of suggestions: instead of Ravel's 'Bolero', why not some of the less frequently heard piano pieces? And, instead of Samuel Barber's 'Adagio For Strings', why not one of the 'Essays for Orchestra'?)

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      • Anna

        Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post
        I never expected to hear such rubbish from a (formerly) respected critic like RC: all about people stopping in their cars to text in to say they were in tears because of the music being played! It's got even worse than I realised! Surely even the targeted 'new' audience for R3 would be put off by such sentimental tripe.
        Indeed, and I mentioned that ad on another thread, it's absolutely nauseating and quite frankly encourages me to turn the programme off! Surely even Rob must have misgivings about being forced to read such trite twaddle on air?

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        • VodkaDilc

          Originally posted by Anna View Post
          Indeed, and I mentioned that ad on another thread, it's absolutely nauseating and quite frankly encourages me to turn the programme off! Surely even Rob must have misgivings about being forced to read such trite twaddle on air?
          Sorry - I hadn't seen it. I must look for it now.

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          • Anna

            Originally posted by VodkaDilc View Post
            Sorry - I hadn't seen it. I must look for it now.
            No need to search it out, it wasn't that profound! When I first heard the ad, I missed the beginning and thought Rob was referring to Your Call reducing people to tears!

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            • Panjandrum

              Originally posted by Osborn View Post
              ...and change the title to 'Nonessential Nonclassics'
              The current title is just as meaningless and absurd.

              OK, why do you think only works which have been flogged to death are either essential or classic?

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              • french frank
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                • Feb 2007
                • 30241

                Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                What would be your three hours?
                For me, there wouldn't be 'three hours'. There would be, perhaps two, perhaps three, different programmes, each with its own focus. Just a mo' .....

                Sunday 5 January 1986

                9am News
                9.5 Your concert choice:
                Mozart, Symphony No 12
                Fauré: Prison; Jardin nocturne
                Rachmaninov: Cello sonata
                Finzi: Clarinet concerto

                10.30 Music Weekly, Michael Oliver
                Review of books on Penderecki
                Graham Johnson on his Songmakers' Almanac, with Anthony Rolfe Johnson
                Homage to Barcelona: reflections on Barcelona's musicians
                Talk: Russian origins of the Rite of Spring
                11.15 Janina Fialkowska, piano
                Mozart, Chopin, Fauré, Scriabin
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • cloughie
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                  • Dec 2011
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                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  For me, there wouldn't be 'three hours'. There would be, perhaps two, perhaps three, different programmes, each with its own focus. Just a mo' .....

                  Sunday 5 January 1986

                  9am News
                  9.5 Your concert choice:
                  Mozart, Symphony No 12
                  Fauré: Prison; Jardin nocturne
                  Rachmaninov: Cello sonata
                  Finzi: Clarinet concerto

                  10.30 Music Weekly, Michael Oliver
                  Review of books on Penderecki
                  Graham Johnson on his Songmakers' Almanac
                  Homage to Barcelona: reflections on Barcelona's musicians
                  Talk: Russian origins of the Rite of Spring
                  11.15 Janina Fialkowska, piano
                  Mozart, Chopin, Fauré, Scriabin
                  That was when Sundays were special! I could revert to that quite easily, but thast doesn't solve Monday to Friday!

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                  • french frank
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                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30241

                    Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                    That was when Sundays were special! I could revert to that quite easily, but thast doesn't solve Monday to Friday!
                    Oops, yes! I'm still on Sunday. Don't go away!
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • mercia
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 8920

                      we've had the Finzi concerto twice in the last week

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                      • french frank
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                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30241

                        Well, of course, in those days Composer of the Week was at 9am (until it was decided that it was dry and boring and should be moved to a less prominent slot). I would move it back to 9am on the grounds that those who thought it was dry and boring could tune in to R2 instead.

                        Monday 6 January 1986

                        9am News
                        9.05 This Week's Composer, Stravinsky, 1905 - 1920
                        10am 1/2 Louis Moreau Gottshcalk
                        10.45 RVW Symphony No 9
                        11.25 French Songs
                        Duparc, Debussy

                        Tuesday 7 January

                        9am News
                        9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                        10am Beecham conducts Mozart:
                        Bassoon concerto
                        Entr'acte Thamos
                        Symphony No 35
                        10.45 Vierne, organ music
                        11.30 Cello & piano
                        Schumann, Hindemith, Beethoven

                        Wednesday 8 January

                        9am News
                        9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                        10am Johan Svendsen: Violin concerto, Op. 6
                        10.40 John Ireland, piano solos
                        11.25 BBC Welsh Symphony Orchestra
                        Canteloube
                        Respighi, Pines of Rome

                        Thursday 9 January

                        9am News
                        9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                        10am Mozart: Symphony No 13
                        10.35 French clarinet music
                        Jeanjean, Gaubert, Saint-Saens
                        11.10 Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra
                        Part 1: Bach Suites (Part 2 at 12.15)
                        11.55 Six Continents

                        Friday 10 January

                        9am News
                        9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                        10am International dances: Grieg, Dvorak, Schubert, Rachmaninov
                        10.50 Langham Chamber Orchestra
                        Britten, Graham Whettam, Mozart
                        11.25 Delius and Holst songs
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • mercia
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 8920

                          I thought there was a mass switch off/over at 9am

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                          • cloughie
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                            • Dec 2011
                            • 22114

                            Originally posted by french frank View Post
                            Well, of course, in those days Composer of the Week was at 9am (until it was decided that it was dry and boring and should be moved to a less prominent slot). I would move it back to 9am on the grounds that those who thought it was dry and boring could tune in to R2 instead.

                            Monday 6 January 1986

                            9am News
                            9.05 This Week's Composer, Stravinsky, 1905 - 1920
                            10am 1/2 Louis Moreau Gottshcalk
                            10.45 RVW Symphony No 9
                            11.25 French Songs
                            Duparc, Debussy

                            Tuesday 7 January

                            9am News
                            9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                            10am Beecham conducts Mozart:
                            Bassoon concerto
                            Entr'acte Thamos
                            Symphony No 35
                            10.45 Vierne, organ music
                            11.30 Cello & piano
                            Schumann, Hindemith, Beethoven

                            Wednesday 8 January

                            9am News
                            9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                            10am Johan Svendsen: Violin concerto, Op. 6
                            10.40 John Ireland, piano solos
                            11.25 BBC Welsh Symphony Orchestra
                            Canteloube
                            Respighi, Pines of Rome

                            Thursday 9 January

                            9am News
                            9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                            10am Mozart: Symphony No 13
                            10.35 French clarinet music
                            Jeanjean, Gaubert, Saint-Saens
                            11.10 Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra
                            Part 1: Bach Suites (Part 2 at 12.15)
                            11.55 Six Continents

                            Friday 10 January

                            9am News
                            9.05 TWC Stravinsky
                            10am International dances: Grieg, Dvorak, Schubert, Rachmaninov
                            10.50 Langham Chamber Orchestra
                            Britten, Graham Whettam, Mozart
                            Makes turning back the clock worthwhile! As COW was at 9, what was at 12?

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                            • cloughie
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                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22114

                              Originally posted by mercia View Post
                              I thought there was a mass switch off/over at 9am
                              That was then - now we're seeking the big switch on/over from the recorded music device of choice.

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30241

                                Originally posted by mercia View Post
                                I thought there was a mass switch off/over at 9am
                                So? It's a switchover time for Radio 4 too. Why can't people be allowed to switch over/off if what happens to be on doesn't appeal to them? Just broadcasting what's going to keep the largest number (half) listening is LCD programming. Second or third rate.
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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