Originally posted by oddoneout
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Essential Classics - The Continuing Debate
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It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Sir Velo View PostMaybe.
Personally, I would prefer they dumped the whole chat show concept. However, if they have to dilute the musical nectar with desultory natter, how much better it would be if they had actual musicians, or industry insiders as the guests. Surely, a Neville Marriner, or a Mitsuko Uchida would make a far more entertaining guest, with their knowledge of music and the biz. Some actual account of how records are made, interpretative and technical challenges of the repertoire, balancing commercial imperatives with artistic interests- how much more insightful a programme this would make!
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Originally posted by french frank View PostThe problem with having guests (and quizzes) and other bits and pieces in together is that it effectively makes the entire 3-hour programme unattractive for some people..
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostI assume that the underlying raison d'etre of this thread is that the whole programme set-up is unsatisfactory/not fit for purpose.
But the 'Radio bosses' don't want you to listen like that: they want to keep you listening so there are no obvious programme breaks which is when people turn off.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostBut the 'Radio bosses' don't want you to listen like that: they want to keep you listening so there are no obvious programme breaks which is when people turn off.
They don't want us to switch off? By broadcasting diluted drivel, an audience with a few brain cells are unlikely to switch on.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostThey don't want us to switch off? By broadcasting diluted drivel, an audience with a few brain cells are unlikely to switch on.
We are few and we switch off when we've heard our chosen programmes. And therefore useless critturs to the BBC - as for any broadcaster.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Stanfordian View PostThe first two works on 'Essential Classics' this morning were:
Maurice Vandair - Fleur de Paris
Gaspar Cassadó - Toccata in the style of Frescobaldi
I'm wondering what is essential or classic about these two?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostTime for the programme to change its name? Then we might begin to move forward, though I wouldn't guarantee it wouldn't start shedding a few listeners. But that would be by choice, not because they were being 'excluded'.
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Originally posted by doversoul View PostAh, but those who decide to leave will feel they are being excluded (‘the programme has gone e***t’ etc.) but as has been said by many, including, I think, Roger Wright, it’s not possible to please everybody. Radio 3 should please the listeners who value the station for what it is.
It's where Breakfast/Essential Classics and Classic FM both cater for the audience which feels it's (the e***** word) if they are asked to listen to less familiar music that is at the root of the problem. Stations and programmes don't have to be identical to be in competition with each other: it's appealing to similar audiences which puts them in competition. Yet R3 has always denied being in competition with Classic FM, and it doesn't have to be.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostFine, then what's wrong with listening to Classic FM?
It's where Breakfast/Essential Classics and Classic FM both cater for the audience which feels it's (the e***** word) if they are asked to listen to less familiar music that is at the root of the problem. Stations and programmes don't have to be identical to be in competition with each other: it's appealing to similar audiences which puts them in competition. Yet R3 has always denied being in competition with Classic FM, and it doesn't have to be.
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Originally posted by doversoul View PostMy point is that there will be the (same old) criticism if the change happens. So R3 and Alan Davey should be prepared to stand up and say what you are saying here.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Richard Tarleton
I was disconcerted (why? I must be getting old, having seen him and grown up with his recordings) to see/hear Tortelier (and Gendron for that matter) described as an old world cellist/cellist from the past. I did not hear RC define his terms, perhaps he just meant "dead". PT only died in 1990....Feuermann and Piatigorsky, possibly. Tortelier only a few years older than, and to all intents and purposes contemporary of, Rostropovich....
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Originally posted by Richard Tarleton View PostI was disconcerted (why? I must be getting old, having seen him and grown up with his recordings) to see/hear Tortelier (and Gendron for that matter) described as an old world cellist/cellist from the past. I did not hear RC define his terms, perhaps he just meant "dead". PT only died in 1990....Feuermann and Piatigorsky, possibly. Tortelier only a few years older than, and to all intents and purposes contemporary of, Rostropovich....It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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