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  • ahinton
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 16122

    Originally posted by Caliban View Post
    Ahem... Goldmark I think.
    Indeed, although I had thought that this was the currency in which certain producers and presenters received their grossly inflated salaries...

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    • vinteuil
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 12815

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      But from now on, thanks to Rumpole, we will all take 90 minutes to get there ......

      ... lordy lordy - in the days of old when St Tony Blair held sway it only took 45 minutes for them to reach us - are we winning?

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30283

        Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
        Yes - I have noticed that if you join the programme after 10:30 the Music and presentation does improve.
        [Yes, I have read Rumpole's too.] The programme's commissioning brief did say that it should try to hold on to as much of the Breakfast audience as possible (i.e. 'Please don't switch over to CFM at 9am, we beg you') because the height of broadcasters' ambition is to try to hang on to their audience for as long as possible (they increase their 'share' and stop listeners switching over to rivals).

        I suppose they feel that 4 hours of garbage (6.30-10.30am) is the limit of what they can risk without losing their 'reputation' …
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Barbirollians
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11679

          Originally posted by Caliban View Post
          Ahem... Goldmark I think.

          But yes, I agree - I enjoyed hearing that for the first time. Lovely slow movement.

          And Milstein is one of the very few violinists I could listen to all day and all night - sovereign playing. Just right.
          Goldmark for the first time ! It is a truly lovely work and Milstein's recording on Testament remains at the top of the pile though I have a very soft spot for the Perlman too .

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          • Lancashire Lass
            Full Member
            • Feb 2012
            • 118

            Originally posted by Caliban View Post
            Ahem... Goldmark I think.
            Sorry about that, and thanks for the correction Cal.

            I am ashamed to say, and this is really lowering the tone, I was confusing him with the Conservative ex-MP for Braintree who went off-piste with his mobile phone. I always try to get my references right but I think on this occasion I failed miserably ...

            Glad to hear that Mr Goldmark's handiwork was appreciated by others, anyway.

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            • Lento
              Full Member
              • Jan 2014
              • 646

              Currently taking refuge at RAI FD5 Auditorium (albeit with flaky reception as I write) as I really don't want to hear the slow mvt of Schubert's Quintet, as requested by this morning's R3 guest: but that's just me!

              The thought occurs that RAI is state funded, yet does not seem to share the BBC's need to water down its morning R3 output. I wonder how listening stats compare.

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              • Gordon
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1425

                Originally posted by Lento View Post
                Currently taking refuge at RAI FD5 Auditorium (albeit with flaky reception as I write) as I really don't want to hear the slow mvt of Schubert's Quintet, as requested by this morning's R3 guest: but that's just me!

                The thought occurs that RAI is state funded, yet does not seem to share the BBC's need to water down its morning R3 output. I wonder how listening stats compare.
                RAI carries ads which IIRC contribute about half its revenues [or it used last time I was connected to EBU data]. I don't know what the current licence fee is but is used to be based on owning a TV just as we levy it in effect. A figure of around E100 comes to mind. It does have a large range of services but I don't know what its budget is these days. If the Italian LF collection is anything like its other tax collection many will not pay it so I think that RAI still runs under debt as it has for some time. I don't think it gets the same scrutiny under the Italian political system, even from Berlusconi and his mates. The Italians love opera though!!!

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                • Lento
                  Full Member
                  • Jan 2014
                  • 646

                  Thanks for the reply: I have escaped the ads so far, when listening to Auditorium for short periods.

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                  • Don Petter

                    Originally posted by Lento View Post
                    Thanks for the reply: I have escaped the ads so far, when listening to Auditorium for short periods.
                    I've never heard any ads on RAI RadioFD5, which is what we are talking about here, isn't it? Just brief announcements between works.

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                    • Gordon
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1425

                      So RAI clearly ring fence some services to avoid ads. BBC could do the same. There isn't necessarily a one fits all solution. I simply pointed it out from my own experience of dealing for many years with its engineers who were excellent.

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                      • Pulcinella
                        Host
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 10921

                        Originally posted by Don Petter View Post
                        I've never heard any ads on RAI RadioFD5, which is what we are talking about here, isn't it? Just brief announcements between works.
                        Tuned my internet radio to this station yesterday.
                        No ads but just music details so far.

                        But sounds like a jittery CD just now; think it's their problem as Minnesota Public Radio fine, so not a connection problem at my end.

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                        • Lento
                          Full Member
                          • Jan 2014
                          • 646

                          Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                          Tuned my internet radio to this station yesterday.
                          No ads but just music details so far.

                          But sounds like a jittery CD just now; think it's their problem as Minnesota Public Radio fine, so not a connection problem at my end.
                          Sounds like the problem I had yesterday: shame, because it's a good station, imv.

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                          • Bax-of-Delights
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 745

                            Could there be a performance of Holst's "The Planets" coming up v.soon at the Proms?

                            I rarely listen to R3 these days but by chance last night I caught Trelawny plugging the Proms by playing "Jupiter".
                            Just 14 hours later, as I passed the radio in the kitchen (which we keep on to deter any potential burglars) I hear RC introduce er..."Jupiter".

                            This is partly why I find very little to enjoy on R3 now - it has become so self-referring that it has become a parody of itself, almost as if the producers and "jocks" are only there to promote each other's programmes. The audience is viewed as incidental and is gradually disappearing into the background.
                            Or, in my case, elsewhere completely.
                            Last edited by Bax-of-Delights; 17-07-15, 10:50.
                            O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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                            • Nick Armstrong
                              Host
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 26533

                              Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                              Could there be a performance of Holst's "The Planets" coming up v.soon at the Proms?

                              I rarely listen to R3 these days but by chance last night I caught Trelawny plugging the Proms last night by playing "Jupiter".
                              Just 14 hours later, as I passed the radio in the kitchen (which we keep on to deter any potential burglars) I hear RC introduce er..."Jupiter".
                              At least you missed the grotesque pop version of the same which constituted the "quiz" and which was presumably followed by the real thing. I don't know, I switched off.

                              If your kitchen radio is tuned to R3 in the morning it will certainly deter any potential classical-music-loving burglars. Double protection!
                              "...the isle is full of noises,
                              Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                              Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                              Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                              • subcontrabass
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 2780

                                Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                                Could there be a performance of Holst's "The Planets" coming up v.soon at the Proms?

                                Full work: Monday 27th July

                                "Mars" is part of the "Ten Pieces Prom" (18th/19th July)

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