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  • mercia
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8920

    Originally posted by pilamenon View Post
    There are even a few popular pieces scattered amongst it all.
    there are indeed, 3 hours worth was my calculation, and popular pieces are what we are supposed not to like about the current schedule

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    • mercia
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8920

      Originally posted by pilamenon View Post
      I'm pretty sure that chamber, baroque and choral will be very represented indeed if the sample is widened to several days.
      of course (well I hope of course - let's see another day ), but I would argue that in the 2011 schedules all genres and historic periods are represented every day

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      • mercia
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8920

        Originally posted by pilamenon View Post
        it's also true to say that these musical programmes would have contained a good deal more informed explanation of the works being played, is it not?
        I couldn't say, I've no particular reason to believe that would be the case

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        • Serial_Apologist
          Full Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 37563

          Originally posted by mercia View Post
          I couldn't say, I've no particular reason to believe that would be the case
          From both memory and the evidence of tapes still in my collection from the 60s, 70s and 80s, that would have been the case with regards to mention almost always being made for example of dates and methods of composition, with poems set to music often read out, prior to performance. One great improvement imo during the last 30 or so years has been the offering of biographical details about the composer, his or her family, friends, critical circle and historical context. Before that it tended to be along the lines of, "Completed in 1844, the symphony is in three movements, the first being in sonata form..." etc etc. This greater emphasis on what the composer was allegedly like as a flesh-and-blood human being allows today's R3 listener feel she or he is making the acquaintance of the composer as opposed merely to a representative of the art. But it has tended to be at the expense of talking about the music itself, often omitting dates and confusing chronology with multiple flash forwards and backwards in ways which dislocate music from any sense of evolutionary continuity and progress, rather the way paintings are ahistorically juxtaposed at Tate Modern. it is strangely at odds with today's otherwise rounded out presentation of personality.
          Last edited by Serial_Apologist; 24-10-11, 15:01. Reason: Clarification, I hope...

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          • teamsaint
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 25190

            Originally posted by mercia View Post
            of course (well I hope of course - let's see another day ), but I would argue that in the 2011 schedules all genres and historic periods are represented every day
            would you say that there is a fair representation of C20 music? Is there a good representation of post WW2 music?
            I don't hear much , especially during the day time.
            I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

            I am not a number, I am a free man.

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            • mercia
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 8920

              would you say that there is a fair representation of C20 music? Is there a good representation of post WW2 music?
              not enough I agree, and whether ff's schedule from 1988 with Music in our Time was a typical day in that respect I don't know

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              • Vile Consort
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 696

                There were no typical days. There was much more variation from one day to another. Music in our Time would have been once a week, and quite possibly not all year round - it might have been one of three or four formats sharing the 9pm (ish) slot over the course of a year. There might have been six weeks of that, then six weeks of the ars nova then six weeks of "Talking about Music".

                This is how minority interests were dealt with. For example, for some years, organ music got about twelve hours a year, with two six-week runs of one-hour programmes late at night - eagerly looked forward to by the teenage Vile Consort!

                The "banding" of the week into fixed slots has certainly had a stifling effect on creativity and variety.

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                • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                  Late member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 9173

                  ah what was a programme is now a station ..... from seeking and sharing the sublime to the secular stranded presenter driven drivel of the market ....
                  According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30213

                    Originally posted by Vile Consort View Post
                    There were no typical days [...] The "banding" of the week into fixed slots has certainly had a stifling effect on creativity and variety.
                    Radio 3's schedule was more like Radio 4's is now - or even more so! Part of the reason why Radio 4 is so expensive to run is the variety of different programmes, separately commissioned.

                    Someone inside R3 told me that the producer's job is now largely reduced to coming up with a playlist. The 'creative' ideas are 'what shall we ask the listeners to email in about?'
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • teamsaint
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 25190

                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      Radio 3's schedule was more like Radio 4's is now - or even more so! Part of the reason why Radio 4 is so expensive to run is the variety of different programmes, separately commissioned.

                      Someone inside R3 told me that the producer's job is now largely reduced to coming up with a playlist. The 'creative' ideas are 'what shall we ask the listeners to email in about?'
                      if that is true, and no doubt it is, they could save more money getting board members on here to draw up playlists. We could do all sorts of groovy stuff, like all those violin concertos on another thread, and save the bbc a stack of money on producers salaries ( sorry any producers reading this ?)
                      I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                      I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                      • Nick Armstrong
                        Host
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 26516

                        This phone in feature on Breakfast has GOT TO STOP! It's beyond parody...
                        "...the isle is full of noises,
                        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                        • aka Calum Da Jazbo
                          Late member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 9173

                          you raise an interesting point Caliban in your several recent posts .... these listener hook manipulations do work on other stations, the R3 people are bad at it ... do we object in principle [ i do ] or is the distress aggravated by the teeth grinding naffness of the execution ... if it were done well might it just be palatable?
                          According to the best estimates of astronomers there are at least one hundred billion galaxies in the observable universe.

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                          • BobDM

                            I am so pleased to find this forum because it lets me know I am not alone. When the trash that now passes for Breakfast was first aired I could not believe it. Petroc Trelawny at 6.40 a.m. is just too much for a sensitive stomach. I promptly e-mailed the programme to express my disgust but, surprise surprise, they did not bother to reply.

                            Thankfully shortly before the change we bought an internet radio and I now listen to a very pleasant programme broadcast from Australia. Once you get used to the idea that their 5 o'clock round up of local arts events is 7 a.m. it is fine. Mind you the continual mentions of the same event does get a little repetitive after the 2nd week so my wife would like to know if anybody has found a good classical music station without the features of 3beebies.

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                            • teamsaint
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 25190

                              Welcome to KUSC Los Angeles. Enjoy the beautiful calm and the joyful inspiration of our unique classical music mix and the California spirit of our friendly announcers.


                              has had some good mentions
                              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                              • Nick Armstrong
                                Host
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 26516

                                Originally posted by BobDM View Post
                                I am so pleased to find this forum because it lets me know I am not alone. When the trash that now passes for Breakfast was first aired I could not believe it. Petroc Trelawny at 6.40 a.m. is just too much for a sensitive stomach. I promptly e-mailed the programme to express my disgust but, surprise surprise, they did not bother to reply.

                                Thankfully shortly before the change we bought an internet radio and I now listen to a very pleasant programme broadcast from Australia. Once you get used to the idea that their 5 o'clock round up of local arts events is 7 a.m. it is fine. Mind you the continual mentions of the same event does get a little repetitive after the 2nd week so my wife would like to know if anybody has found a good classical music station without the features of 3beebies.
                                Good to read from a recent joiner, Bob - welcome!

                                KUSC mentioned by teamsaint is the one I turn to, but it has personal nostalgia and resonances for me from driving around Southern California. It could be annoying to some.

                                The Dutch stations AVRO are good if you don't mind not understanding the commentary - on this page, you can click for the Concertgebouw channel, the general classic music channel, and the 24/7 Baroque music channel: http://cultuurgids.avro.nl/front/arc...%22Webradio%22
                                "...the isle is full of noises,
                                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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