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  • antongould
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 8775

    well I have probably, as usual, got it wrong - the 08.30 calls I have heard have interested me and give a clear but short indication of why the music to be played means so much to the 'elderly' caller. i may even, to show yet again I am beyond the pale, be warming to the Essential Classics 10.30 - IMHO Simon Jenkins has been very good so far this week.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30213

      Originally posted by antongould View Post
      well I have probably, as usual, got it wrong
      I'd say you've only 'got it wrong' in thinking in terms of right and wrong.

      Once could make a series of statements, based on evidence, such as:

      a certain number of people do not like the recent changes

      other people like the changes

      (and, perhaps, others haven't noticed any changes).


      a certain number of people are mainly interested in listening to music

      other people are happy to have the music broken up with episodes of speech


      a certain number of people enjoyed previous morning programmes more than the new ones

      other people prefer the new programmes

      others again didn't hear the previous programmes and therefore cannot make a comparison


      some people have a very wide knowledge of classical music and get impatient when the same well-known pieces are frequently repeated

      other people do not notice the repetition

      others like to hear the few pieces that they already know


      and so on.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • antongould
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 8775

        Indeed

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30213

          Of course, I was only referring to your suggestion that you, antongould, were somehow 'wrong' or 'beyond the pale' in enjoying, or being interested in, those particular elements in the programmes.

          When you get on to the consideration of Radio 3, what it should be, who it should cater for and how, then there are strong arguments and weak arguments. And you could say it was 'wrong' to make changes based on weak arguments; or 'wrong' not to respond to alternative points of view at all; or 'wrong' to invent evidence. And so on
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • antongould
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 8775

            Indeed

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            • vermooten

              Why does Sara Mohr-Pietsch...

              ... think I could care less about what listeners have to say about music? If I wanted that sh*t I'd listen to R4 or Classic FM or R1 FFS.

              Am I alone in this? Do you really want to hear what some bloke in Dorset tweeted in? Does his opinion matter to you as little as it matters to me?

              Just asking.

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30213

                Hello vermooten - and welcome

                I'm removing your comment over to the Playlist Progs board where you'll see the other opinions which have been expressed on this subject!

                To '3beebies aka Breakfast'.
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • Stillhomewardbound
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1109

                  Vermooten ... criticising SMP in these waters is a risky enough venture at the best of times. At least save your ire until she's actually in the chair.

                  Currently, most disaffected are unloading on the Trelawney.

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                  • barber olly

                    Originally posted by Stillhomewardbound View Post
                    Vermooten ... criticising SMP in these waters is a risky enough venture at the best of times. At least save your ire until she's actually in the chair.

                    Currently, most disaffected are unloading on the Trelawney.
                    Trelawny! but SMP was communicating ad nauseam with the Breakfast listeners long before Petroc put the style into overdrive!

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                    • ardcarp
                      Late member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 11102

                      it would take me about 10 minutes to text a single message
                      If you think a neutrino travelling from Cern to Gran Sasso is something special, you ain't seen my grand-kids. They frequently reply to my texts before I've sent them........

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                      • mercia
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 8920

                        If you invite 100,000 or 150,000 listeners at a particular moment to text in or email in, some will.
                        Would you agree that those who choose not to email or text-in are not all therefore necessarily vehemently against the whole concept? i.e. it's possible simply to be indifferent to it. If 100,000 people are invited to text and as a consequence 5 texts are read out it doesn't necessarily follow that 99,995 think texting is a terrible idea.

                        Most of the emails & texts I hear being read out are from people expressing their opinions about music. Is that not what this forum consists of? or is it the amateurishness of the opinions expressed that we don't like compared to the expert, professional opinions expressed hereabouts? i.e. we wouldn't mind the emails if they were from professional musicians. Some of the emails Rob Cowan used to read out when he was presenting Breakfast seem to me to have been very similar to messages here e.g. recommending to him or discussing with him particular recordings
                        Last edited by mercia; 20-10-11, 08:48.

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                        • mercia
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 8920

                          The controller's disingenuousness (putting it kindly) is in saying that there is an evident 'appetite' for listener interactivity.
                          would you say that the BBC as a whole has been incorrect in thinking there is an appetite for audience interactivity? after all, it is all-pervasive in the BBC nowadays. I would think Radio 3 was the very last part of the BBC to 'let down the barriers' in this respect.

                          do we consider the old BBC messageboards to have been a form of listener interactivity? I seem to recall 'conversations' taking place on them between presenters and listeners.
                          Last edited by mercia; 20-10-11, 07:01.

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                          • antongould
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 8775

                            Originally posted by mercia View Post
                            Would you agree that those who choose not to email or text-in are not all therefore necessarily vehemently against the whole concept? i.e. it's possible to be indifferent about it. If 100,000 people are invited to text and as a consequence 5 texts are read out it doesn't follow that 99,995 think texting is a terrible idea.

                            Most of the emails & texts I hear being read out are from people expressing their opinions about music. Is that not what this forum consists of? or is it the amateurishness of the opinions expressed that we don't like compared to the expert, professional opinions expressed hereabouts? i.e. we wouldn't mind the emails if they were from professional musicians. Some of the emails Rob Cowan used to read out when he was presenting Breakfast seem to me to have been very similar to messages here e.g. recommending to him or discussing with him particular recordings
                            Good point well made but then I would say that wouldn't I!

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                            • Frances_iom
                              Full Member
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 2411

                              Originally posted by antongould View Post
                              Good point well made but then I would say that wouldn't I!
                              why is it a good point - I can go to say 'The Choir' subforum expecting and looking for comments on Choral Evensong, often by those professionally involved, - however I have a choice - broadcast listener emails, at least those I've had the misfortune to hear, seldom if ever discus the music but their reactions to it - such reactions, however key to that person, are, I would argue, seldom if ever of interest to those who want to listen to the music.

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                              • mercia
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 8920

                                Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                                comments on Choral Evensong, often by those professionally involved
                                so, as I said in my message, it's the amateurish content of the texting and emailing that people object to, not texting and emailing per se

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