Originally posted by aka Calum Da Jazbo
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3beebies aka Breakfast
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"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by ardcarp View PostEA
Are we going to get, "Now Sharon from Sheffield has asked us to play something for her boyfriend Tyler who is taking his NVQ level one in hairdressing today, so here is a track from Scheherezade...."
Oh, stop me, somebody.
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Calum
do we object in principle [ i do ] or is the distress aggravated by the teeth grinding naffness of the execution ... if it were done well might it just be palatable?
BobDM
No need to go that far. Join the TTN on iplayer camp.
And welcome to the Forum.
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Possibly worse than anything on Radio 3 ever: the "Hallowe'en on Radio 3" trailer, Trelawney mugging pathetically.
Embarrassing and infantile. Who do they take their listeners for ?
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by anotherbob View PostAll those years I've listened to R3 and I didn't realise that I was a mere outsider.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Graeme (Kay) on Facebook has posted this (extract) regarding R3's Breakfast strategy, and asks for a response from the constant critics:
"If hypothetically, R3 decides that for only 2.5 hours over a 24-hour period it is going to broadcast generally well-known pieces of classical music, which might have the effect of enabling new listeners to come into the station and share the joy of classical music, as welll as entertaining existing listeners at a time of day when perhaps there are distractions which might make the programming of, say, Bruckner symphonies not, perhaps, the kind of music to which listeners could devote the necessary serious attention, comparing this 2.5 hour period with the rest of the schedule (as I have cordially invited you to do), might not such a policy be a valid response to the fact that, like it or not, classical music in our society is on the radar of fewer people than those of us who love classical music would wish? I am at a total loss to understand why people would not wish classical music to be more widely known - popular, even - and for R3 to use its schedule and its profile to pursue that aim?"
Graeme - this is disingenuous. Here are some answers:
1. The most objectionable aspect of Breakfast for many people is not that it broadcasts 'generally well-known pieces of classical music': it is the prattle, gimmicks and the irrelevant trivia surrounding the music which, for them, renders the programme unlistenable. And, for some, it's also the inclusion of snippets from the music. Oh, and the absence of a full playlist so that the occasional piece lasting 10-15 minutes can be accurately located.
2. That old straw man: Bruckner symphonies as (apparently) the only alternative to short pieces averaging about 6 minutes.
3. It isn't '2.5 hours' because the commissioning brief for Essential Classics specifically said its aim was to 'keep' as much of the Breakfast audience as possible - and it continues with the prattle and 'entertaining' gimmicks. Thus it is 5.5 hours, not 2.5 hours (pace the 'long piece' after the guest spot). And not just any 5.5 hours, but the 5.5 hours which for most radio stations (and R3 in particular which has a later listening peak and a less dramatic post breakfast fall) attracts the largest number of listeners of the entire day. Thus the largest number of Radio 3 listeners are affected by a change to the target audience. Every weekday. (And Saturday afternoons)
4. Ten years ago the strategy was to wipe all the classical music off the schedule post-9.30pm. There were complaints from the classical audience as a result, and the strategy has been semi-abandoned. Now, the strategy is to wipe all serious listening off the morning schedule and direct it at beginners. CotW begins at midday, but is speech-based 'music documentary'. So there follows three and a half hours of classical music at a time when there is the lowest demand of the day.
5. Attract new listeners - yes! But this is a crass, imitative, unimaginative formula. Can't Radio 3 come up with any better ideas than this?
Any good, Graeme? (I'm not joining Facebook just to argue the toss over there)It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by aeolium View PostI like that 'hypothetically'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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