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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30301

    Saturday Classics

    Starting today, 3pm-5pm

    "A personal view of classical music from a range of presenters launches with Gareth Malone, star of BBC 2's BAFTA Award Winning 'The Choir'. In the first of four programmes, Gareth explores the many aspects of a subject close to his heart - 'musical youth'. Featuring two hours of great music including Mozart, Schubert, Verdi, Chopin and Elgar."

    No playlist yet. Gareth Malone will be presenting the first four programmes in this new series. Other (musical) celebrities to follow.

    The main issue for many of us will be, not whether it is 'high-quality' and 'distinctive' but what knowledge level it assumes. It may be yet another two hours aimed at the 'potential' new audience (I wonder where else it's being trailed?); it may be a good 'work-out' with some interesting music and comment.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
  • Nick Armstrong
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 26538

    #2
    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Starting today, 3pm-5pm

    "A personal view of classical music from a range of presenters launches with Gareth Malone, star of BBC 2's BAFTA Award Winning 'The Choir'. In the first of four programmes, Gareth explores the many aspects of a subject close to his heart - 'musical youth'. Featuring two hours of great music including Mozart, Schubert, Verdi, Chopin and Elgar."

    No playlist yet. Gareth Malone will be presenting the first four programmes in this new series. Other (musical) celebrities to follow.

    The main issue for many of us will be, not whether it is 'high-quality' and 'distinctive' but what knowledge level it assumes. It may be yet another two hours aimed at the 'potential' new audience (I wonder where else it's being trailed?); it may be a good 'work-out' with some interesting music and comment.
    It seems at first sight like yet another unsatisfying portion of "Private Passions - lite" spread thin with a patronising garnish

    "...the isle is full of noises,
    Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
    Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
    Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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    • mercia
      Full Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 8920

      #3
      my Radio Times says we'll get Chopin's Raindrop Prelude, Mendelssohn's 1st Piano Concerto and Elgar's Dream Children today

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30301

        #4
        Originally posted by Caliban View Post
        It seems at first sight like yet another unsatisfying portion of "Private Passions - lite" spread thin with a patronising garnish
        I do have a lot of time for Gareth Malone and think he's done some good work on educating the musically uneducated on television.

        The main point is whether he's been drafted in to do the same on Radio 3 (four weeks on Radio 3 so much cheaper than four weeks on BBC Two). It'll be about tone and depth (or lack of). I haven't prejudged on this one.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • Eine Alpensinfonie
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 20570

          #5
          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          I haven't prejudged on this one.
          I'm afraid I have, but I very much hope I'm wrong.

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          • Nick Armstrong
            Host
            • Nov 2010
            • 26538

            #6
            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            I do have a lot of time for Gareth Malone and think he's done some good work on educating the musically uneducated on television.

            The main point is whether he's been drafted in to do the same on Radio 3 (four weeks on Radio 3 so much cheaper than four weeks on BBC Two). It'll be about tone and depth (or lack of). I haven't prejudged on this one.

            I heard about 10 minutes and was pleasantly surprised, he seemed to be doing rather well, unobtrusively delivering a themed programme. I wonder if he is being groomed for full time 'presenting' at a later stage...
            "...the isle is full of noises,
            Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
            Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
            Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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            • Chris Newman
              Late Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 2100

              #7
              Originally posted by french frank View Post
              I do have a lot of time for Gareth Malone and think he's done some good work on educating the musically uneducated on television.

              The main point is whether he's been drafted in to do the same on Radio 3 (four weeks on Radio 3 so much cheaper than four weeks on BBC Two). It'll be about tone and depth (or lack of). I haven't prejudged on this one.
              I thought his work with schools especially at Glyndebourne was excellent and I love watching his programme on sea shanties when it gets revived (I have a fondness for CH's clog dancing series too). I would be worried about Gareth becoming a "full-time" presenter as it would be a waste of his obvious musical talents. Imagine how much more musical in outlook Britain might be today if in the 1960s the BBC had seen fit to let Russell Burgess free on the TV and Radio waves in the way that Gareth appears these days. Instead it was Eric Robinson on BBCTV whilst Andre Previn on ITV was still a bit formal.

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              • mercia
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 8920

                #8
                crikey, did we just go straight from Delius into Stravinsky without a pause?
                oh, it was a quiz, silly me

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                • Anna

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mercia View Post
                  crikey, did we just go straight from Delius into Stravinsky without a pause?
                  oh, it was a quiz, silly me
                  Indeed we did mercia, it was part of the Guess what it is Competition (but don't phone in, it's just for fun)

                  Now, I like Gareth Malone a lot, I've seen all his tv programmes about his work with young people and have been impressed but I'm afraid this programme doesn't do anything for me. Ok, it's themed on youth but who is it aimed at, because although it's fairly pleasant to listen to on a rainy afternoon all the music is so familiar, I haven't learnt anything about how/why they composed so young, what the reactions were and now he said that here's a game he plays when he's teaching youth groups (7 year olds he added later) - listen and see if you can tell when this piece is going to end. If he had added the word children onto the end of his sentence I wouldn't have been surprised.

                  Having said that, I'd rather listen to this programme than to Breakfast.
                  Last edited by Guest; 17-09-11, 16:27. Reason: extra thought

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                  • french frank
                    Administrator/Moderator
                    • Feb 2007
                    • 30301

                    #10
                    Proof of the pudding ...

                    My concern is that people are chosen firstly for being good 'communicators' and, especially for young people, that matters. But I don't see a lot in Gareth's CV - no more than for Aled Jones - that he has a wide knowledge of the repertoire. I would suggest that for Radio 3 programming the emphasis should be on being able to tell a somewhat more knowledgeable audience things that they don't already know. Fun and games aren't necessary.
                    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                    • Andrew Slater
                      Full Member
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1793

                      #11
                      It's clearly another CFM-like programme, designed to bring in new listeners rather than to persuade existing listeners to listen longer. Those listener hours are going to suffer!

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                      • Frances_iom
                        Full Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 2413

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Andrew Slater View Post
                        It's clearly another CFM-like programme, designed to bring in new listeners rather than to persuade existing listeners to listen longer. Those listener hours are going to suffer!
                        the theming seemed somewhat weak, however my immediate reaction was that it was a somewhat extended children's hour program aimed at say 7 to 9 year olds - his voice and delivery were fine but can't see it being a regular listen for me.

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                        • Norfolk Born

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
                          the theming seemed somewhat weak, however my immediate reaction was that it was a somewhat extended children's hour program aimed at say 7 to 9 year olds - his voice and delivery were fine but can't see it being a regular listen for me.
                          Same here.

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                          • Chris Newman
                            Late Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 2100

                            #14
                            It rather reminds me of a mixture of the late lamented David Munrow's children's programme laced with the one that only ran for a very short time on R3 with Ant and Dec, who bless 'em, tried their best but were treading water and script reading which is not their forte. Overall, not patronising but rather dated.

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30301

                              #15
                              Well, it does come over to me as being 'entry level' stuff, in terms of the music and comment. I think R3 would claim this is being 'distinctive' from CFM, and 'high-quality' in having grrrreat music. And up to a point, I suppose it is. But it's all pretty soporific.

                              I just don't think there's a proper critical basis to two hours of 'My Favourites Pieces' whoever the presenter is, and with Simon Russell Beale, John Wilson and Alison Balsom up ahead I don't look forward to the next few weeks with much enthusiasm.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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