R4 Feedback covers Radio 3 - again

[Chris Newman]

When you think about the millisecond that Feedback allows for each topic I think French Frank did extraordinarily well: even got a chance to argue back with the Rev's acolyte. With such a VIP as RW appearing on a future Feedback it is wishful thinking to expect he and the questioners are given more than three minutes of the programme....as wishful as hoping he will find a pair of trainers that vaguely match his suit.

[french frank]

I think Paul's point about today's item being a promo for the appearance of RW is probably right - and a good thing in the sense that it announces that the topic will be covered soon and invites questions and comments.

That does fit in with what the producer told me, i.e. that they wanted to broadcast something now while there seemed to be a flurry of publicity in the papers. It does set up a challenge and I would urge people who feel strongly about this to get their questions in. I think the trick is to Keep It Short and Simple.

As for whether I 'did well' or not, I did say quite a lot more and they were the ones who chose which bit to broadcast.

[ardcarp]

The whole point of Feedback is for Roger Bolton to gather listener's views and present them on their behalf.

I'd love to believe that really were true. I'm afraid the BBC has more insidious motives......

[DracoM]

Absolutely, ardcarp. It is a thinly disguised 'Pick of the Week' using listeners letters etc as a peg to hang the promos on. Duplicitous.

[french frank]

Hmmm. I've just listened. It's pity they focused on me talking about my listening habits when:

a) that was only mentioned at all because I was asked a direct question: 'Do you listen to the (breakfast) programme yourself?' - a question apparently prompted by people in the know at R3 (NB I don't listen to it, but I have listened to it on a number of occasions in order to form a judgement), and

b) they cut out my immediate protest that what I did and what I thought as an individual listener were not of any relevance if I was being introduced as some sort of 'spokesperson'.

[Suffolkcoastal]

It does sound like a nasty little set up by the R3 bosses. In what is supposed to be a democratic country the BBC behaves more like a remnant of Stalin's Soviet Union in its secrecy, devious manner and manipulation.

[Serial_Apologist]

Hmmm. I've just listened. It's pity they focused on me talking about my listening habits when:

a) that was only mentioned at all because I was asked a direct question: 'Do you listening to the (breakfast) programme yourself?' - a question apparently prompted by people in the know at R3 (NB I don't listen to it, but I have listened to it on a number of occasions in order to form a judgement), and

b) they cut out my immediate protest that what I did and what I thought as an individual listener were not of any relevance if I was being introduced as some sort of 'spokesperson'.

God, this editing mullarkey; I'm reminded of what the Communists did to phoptographs of Lenin addressing the crowds. Does this mean, I wonder, that before making our originally unadulterated replies, we now have to nuance our supermodulated voices so as to pre-empt any, er, presumable subsequent editing, in such as way as thereby rendering it meaningless?

[Serial_Apologist]

It does sound like a nasty little set up by the R3 bosses. In what is supposed to be a democratic country the BBC behaves more like a remnant of Stalin's Soviet Union in its secrecy, devious manner and manipulation.

Our thoughts have coincided, Suffolkcoastal. How about that for great thoughts needed at specific conjunctures?

[french frank]

It does sound like a nasty little set up by the R3 bosses. In what is supposed to be a democratic country the BBC behaves more like a remnant of Stalin's Soviet Union in its secrecy, devious manner and manipulation.

I supposed one has to resign oneself to the fact that they are more interested in what 'I' think, as just another individual view, rather than me droning on about submissions and listening figures and strategies. And it may be that the Feedback audience is no more interested in them than they are .

Wrong context, wrong programme to be trying to argue the points.

[Serial_Apologist]

Wrong context, wrong programme to be trying to argue the points.

But what other opportunities present themselves??

[Suffolkcoastal]

Our thoughts have coincided, Suffolkcoastal. How about that for great thoughts needed at specific conjunctures?

Indeed S_A perhaps we should both play some appropriate music for the Great Leader. Perhaps the next piece I compose should be Salute to the BBC or Hail the BBC!

[french frank]

But what other opportunities present themselves??

Most of them are blocked off.

Radio 3/BBC management - not interested

Feedback - it's just one more topical item to fill the schedule

Press - depends on where the 'loyalties' lie: we have to rely on individual journalists (like Michael White) who hold the same views, occasional drops in the ocean

The Trust - matter pending


I would draw attention to the quote from RadioCentre that I mentioned on the other thread:

"Radio 3 must also acknowledge the enormous power that it wields within the classical music world - and use this power in a responsible manner. We note that the post of Radio 3 controller is responsible for classical music output across all BBC platforms, including the output of Radio 3 and the BBC Proms, in addition to four of the BBC's performing groups (the BBC Concert Orchestra, the BBC Philharmonic, the BBC Symphony Orchestra and the BBC Singers). Radio 3 is also the most significant commissioner of new music in the UK. We believe that this concentration of power in the hands of one individual, with limited checks and balances, is unparalleled within the UK creative industries."

Too many people who share our views are unwilling to speak out at all because in some way they benefit from BBC patronage.


Edit: Oh, dear, I've listened again and they've edited my comments about my preferences into what I was saying about the general features of the programme that so many people complain about ...

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

Napoleon The Great Leader and Corpspeakthink Prophet


Snowball The High Priest of Corpspeakthink


Squealer The Great Servant of Corpseakthink


the farm is in the wrong 's power

[eighthobstruction]

Good afternoon Calum....Trot on you crazy even-toed ungulate....

[Paul Sherratt]

Calum,

You've missed a big one out. For some reason HE is kept away from the front line.

HE :

He has overall responsibility for Radio 1, Radio 2, Radio 3, Radio 4 and Radio 5 Live and the BBC digital radio stations 1Xtra, 6 Music, Radio 7, 5 Live Sports Extra and Asian Network.
He also oversees the three BBC orchestras in England, the BBC Singers, the BBC Proms, Classical Music & Popular Music Television and Radio Resources.
In addition, he is in charge of Radio Drama and Television Music Entertainment and is strategically responsible for all audio across the BBC.

HE might be the face you can forget ...

( HE costs us just under 3,000 licence fees a year )

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