R4 Feedback covers Radio 3 - again

[Anna]

I have to express concern at this move. Unless a poster is aggressively offensive in their language , or persistently goes off-topic, then I can see no justification for cancelling their membership of this forum

I believe that this was cavatina's third incarnation on this MB. I believe she had to dispose of her previous incarnations and reinvent herself because she was disruptive in her other incarnations. I think f-f was perfectly right, in view of her past history and her present postings to terminate membership.

[french frank]

I hope this action will be reconsidered.

I'm afraid it won't be.

The board was set up primarily for people who have an interest in Radio 3. Someone from another country who shows little interest in Radio 3 other than to act as a lone cheerleader for BBC management - for reasons of her own - and who, having returned to her home country, has no reason to post here other than to taunt people is no longer welcome.

When she returns for the Proms next year, she will be welcome to rejoin.

In fact she broke the House Rules by having two accounts at the same time and acted out of the spirit of forum polls by voting under both accounts to express her whole-hearted support for the Mozartfest - twice.

[MrGongGong]

Hoooray

Benign Dictatorship is (REALLY) what we need more of

seems clear to me
its FF's Gig so she should invite who she likes none of this "it's not fair" nonsense

You can by signs that say "be nice or leave" seems perfectly straightforward to me
other messageboards are available (or you can set your own up if you like !)

[mangerton]

I believe that this was cavatina's third incarnation on this MB. I believe she had to dispose of her previous incarnations and reinvent herself because she was disruptive in her other incarnations. I think f-f was perfectly right, in view of her past history and her present postings to terminate membership.

Yes, strongly seconded. Sad, but many warnings were given. I sometimes felt her agenda was simply to foment disharmony and strife.

[Tony Halstead]

Maybe 'she' is really RobG?

[Osborn]

I think f-f was perfectly right, in view of her past history and her present postings to terminate membership.

Definitely. The vitriol directed at ff in recent weeks was the last straw.

[Russ]

I wonder if this all boils down to a simple issue - live or pre-recorded? Is it worth even doing the latter, when there's a good chance they'll try to stitch you up at the editing stage? I don't suppose the Feedback format allows for live (I don't often listen).

I can't recall anything live on Feedback - Karen Pirie (and Kate, her colleague) do all the telephone taping from Whistledown HQ, which forms the majority of the user bits of the programme. Some e-mails will get read by a suitable actor. This is all chopped up and then scripted and played through with Roger in the studio, and then re-edited for programme length. Roger's studio bits may include a recorded interview he's done with a 'live' guest, but this doesn't always mean that Roger and the guest are in the same studio location! Some bits from users they'll use straight from tape, other bits from users will become parts of Roger's script, so you never quite know which bits they'll use where. The whole programme is in the can well in advance of the programme being aired. In this case (the quickie call to ff) was because Karen & co had got wind of the hubbub in the press, so they wanted something topical to put in last week's programme, and the idea is they'll then have a base of comment plus more tweets etc to come (doncha just lurve the interactivity?) on which to interview Roger Wright in a few weeks' time. That kind of 'continuity' appeals to Feedback - keeps the listeners thinking 'oooh, that future edition might be worth listening too'. All the interviews are done by RB - he's the star of the show. ff's final broadcast point (her question for RW) will set the agenda for RW's interview, which is why ff was contacted in the first place, but how much RB will press RW during the interview on those various issues will depend very much on how interested RB is in the subject, and I suspect the matter of R3's recent changes will be a bit esoteric for him.

Russ

[french frank]

how much RB will press RW during the interview on those various issues will depend very much on how interested RB is in the subject, and I suspect the matter of R3's recent changes will be a bit esoteric for him.

I agree with that. I suspect the press attention was because of the announced changes, but clearly RB had no concept that moans/whinges - call them what you like - started back in February 2007. I'm glad they kept in the bit about it being the 'last straw'.

I also signalled that I wanted to pre-empt any suggestion that there was a fundamental objection to 'a breakfast programme', which R3 has had for 20 years. Headlines at 7am and 8 am, plus relatively short pieces aren't too much of a problem. It's the BBC 'brand' of interactivity and emails; then emails and texts; then emails, texts, tweets and phone-ins, plus - for some people like me - the average length of pieces down from 10-12 minute to 5-6 minutes. And the 'themes' of sunrise, weather, Brontes or whatever becomes the topic between each piece of music. And the gimmicks of polls, charts, guests &c &c.

[But I didn't get to say any of this: let's see if RW tries to say that people are too busy to sit down to 'long' pieces of music. Though I did say on the phone to Karen Pirie that if people were that busy in the morning, how come they had time to stop and email, text, tweet, and phone?]

[Ventilhorn]

I would be interested to know what other identity Cavatina posted under. I'm sure I am not the only person to seek an answer to that question.

I too, congratulate you FF on the firmness of your decision. I wonder though, whether to give your firm commitment to accept a continuation of membership for next year's prom season is wise. Have we any reason to believe that the conduct of the party in question is likely to be any different from what we have had so far?

[DracoM]

The RW formula for R3 is clearly R2 with classical music at its core.
I very seriously wonder if that is Lord Patten's idea of R3?

[Serial_Apologist]

I would be interested to know what other identity Cavatina posted under. I'm sure I am not the only person to seek an answer to that question.

I too, congratulate you FF on the firmness of your decision. I wonder though, whether to give your firm commitment to accept a continuation of membership for next year's prom season is wise. Have we any reason to believe that the conduct of the party in question is likely to be any different from what we have had so far?

The only identities that I've been aware of have been cavatina and eudaimonia on this board, and eudaimonia and schopenhaureian on the old R3 board

[salymap]

Not only did cavatina behave badly to FF but as she changed usernames she launched attacks on her erstwhile'friends' which I found upsetting for a while.
Not really important to this thread but indicative of her personality I feel. Sorry if off-topic.

[Word]

Sorry, these events are now in the past and it is not my intention to rake over the coals, but I would like to register my disappointment that Cavatina has been banned.

A couple of her more recent posts did appear a little personally insulting towards FF, which was odd and, if that is an accurate interpretation of them, uncalled for, but I would have preferred gentle encouragement to otherwise divert herself for the rest of the week, such that she could return refreshed and with a fresh perspective, rather than an 8 month (and no doubt effectively permanent) ban.

As for the name changes; Cavatina appeared entirely open about them.
If nothing else (and I'm not suggesting that there was nothing else), her input did help prevent a few threads from becoming too insular.

[doversoul1]

Insulting ff was one of the reasons, but another and more fundamental problem with cavatina was that whenever there was a discussion about Radio3, she persistently attempted to steer the discussion toward publicity or sales practice of one kind or another. She refused to accept or understand that the forum was not about how to sell Radio3 to the mass but about the principle of Radio3. Numerous ‘gentle encouragement’ and advice were given since the days of R3 MBs. But if anyone has deaf ears, she had. I would even say that she was abusing this forum for her own ends whatever that might have been. (my guess was to show off her ‘expertise’) And it was absolutely deplorable to hurt the members who had gone out of their ways to be kind to her.

As for the name change, cavatina was far from open and even breaking the house rule, as ff has explained. She ‘came out’ only when one of the members pointed out and even then she had a cheek to say that it was fun while it lasted.

There are plenty of members whose input can prevent a thread from becoming too insular. And there is no reason for us to expect that she will have fresh perspective if she returns. She amply demonstrated that she had not a slightest doubt that she was the one who knew and the rest of us need to be lectured.

Call me what you like but it really was like being bothered by a buzzing fly. I am thoroughly relieved that she has gone from the forum. Now we can all sit down and concentrate on writing to Feedback.

[johnb]

I have some sympathy with Word's point of view. As an infrequent poster I also got the impression that cavatina was beginning to become the individual that others felt free reign to dump on (probably because of her considerable lack of tact). That was unpleasant and it seemed to be spilling over to others.

Having said that, it is never, ever a good idea to antagonise the owner of a forum - even if it is due to a tact by-pass rather than malice.

Anyway, I suppose what is done is done.