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  • ardcarp
    Late member
    • Nov 2010
    • 11102

    The worst thing I've heard on R3...ever?

    On last Sunday's Sunday Morning this happened:

    A Midsummer Night's Dream (Scherzo)
    Performer: Jan Kraybill.

    I've nothing against Ms Kraybill personally, but why have an organ transcription of Mendelssohn's brilliantly orchestrated Scherzo played VERY SLOWLY?? I just wanted to scream. R3 seems to have a habit of playing 'popular' pieces on anything but their original instrumentation. I'm now waiting in terror for Elgar's Cello Concerto on banjo and Andean nose flute.

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    About 1 hr from the start.

    On the bright side there was, earlier in the programme, a wonderful performance of Alison Firsova's setting of the Stabat Mater sung by The Sixteen.
    Last edited by ardcarp; 16-11-21, 17:44.
  • rauschwerk
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1481

    #2
    Yes, that Mendelssohn was dire, wasn't it? The sort of thing one might play for friends for a laugh, after a good few drinks.

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    • AuntDaisy
      Host
      • Jun 2018
      • 1649

      #3
      For an encore, the Stylophone version would be perfect.

      As an extra-special treat, you can listen to the whole "The Orchestral Organ" CD on YouTube, or buy from Amazon (a snip at ~£17). I'm saving Finlandia for later.

      Dan Morgan's review doesn't quite echo Sarah Walker's "... quite slow, but very charming.. more like a gentle waltz".
      As for Mendelssohn’s Scherzo, attractively transcribed by the Canadian-born organist Samuel Prowse Warren (1841-1915), it allows players and instruments to show off their agility. In particular, Kraybill brings a freshness and spontaneity to this old staple that’s long overdue.

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      • rauschwerk
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 1481

        #4
        Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
        For an encore, the Stylophone version would be perfect.

        As an extra-special treat, you can listen to the whole "The Orchestral Organ" CD on YouTube, or buy from Amazon (a snip at ~£17). I'm saving Finlandia for later.

        Dan Morgan's review doesn't quite echo Sarah Walker's "... quite slow, but very charming.. more like a gentle waltz".
        I have known this scherzo for at least 60 years, and its freshness and spontaneity delight me every time!

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        • cloughie
          Full Member
          • Dec 2011
          • 22120

          #5
          Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
          On last Sunday's Sunday Morning this happened:

          A Midsummer Night's Dream (Scherzo)
          Performer: Jan Kraybill.

          I've nothing against Ms Kraybill personally, but why have an organ transcription of Mendelssohn's brilliantly orchestrated Scherzo played VERY SLOWLY?? I just wanted to scream. R3 seems to have a habit of playing 'popular' pieces on anything but their original instrumentation. I'm now waiting in terror for Elgar's Cello Concerto on banjo and Andean nose flute.

          Listen without limits, with BBC Sounds. Catch the latest music tracks, discover binge-worthy podcasts, or listen to radio shows – all whenever you want


          About 1 hr from the start.

          On the bright side there was. earlier in the programme, a wonderful performance of Alison Firsova's setting of the Stabat Mater sung by The Sixteen.
          Not exactly exciting ardcarp but the worst ever on R3? Not by a long chalk I’d say - there are far worse - probably at least one per hour most mornings - top of the list are seemingly endless minimalist pieces short of a tune and nasty voices!
          On the positive side there are some really good orchestral music arranged for organ on CDs eg Gunnar Idenstam on BIS La Mer and Some Ravel and the Anna Lapwood from Ely Cathedral with a lovely transcription of Britten’s Sea Interludes.



          Last edited by cloughie; 16-11-21, 17:55.

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          • ardcarp
            Late member
            • Nov 2010
            • 11102

            #6
            I'm not against orchestral transcriptions for organ in general. In fact in times gone by they were quite a feature of organ recitals, and were also a way for people who couldn't afford orchestral concert tickets to hear 'the great masters'. George Thalben Ball used to include at least one in his free weekly recital at Birmingham Town Hall. (He was the City Organist in Brum for many years.) I remember a stunning version of The Ride of the Valkyries, but I don't think that was GTB. Someone more recent, I think.

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            • pastoralguy
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 7759

              #7
              Yes, I heard it too. I was only half listening and wondered if it was conducted by Klemperer! (I’d not sufficiently woken up to realise it was being played on the organ!)

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              • oddoneout
                Full Member
                • Nov 2015
                • 9200

                #8
                "And now, this is what it should sound like" could usefully have followed...
                I'll admit I wasn't particularly concentrating at the time but it did take a while for the sounds to register as something I did actually know, if not in that form.
                I agree about the setting of the Stabat Mater - that got me listening properly!

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                • Suffolkcoastal
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 3290

                  #9
                  I can confirm, from collecting data for my annual survey, that there has indeed been a far higher number of works/chunks broadcast in arrangements/transcriptions (including some which could more accurately described as disarrangements) this year than is usual for R3.

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                  • Opinionated Knowall
                    Full Member
                    • Jan 2014
                    • 61

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pastoralguy View Post
                    Yes, I heard it too. I was only half listening and wondered if it was conducted by Klemperer! (I’d not sufficiently woken up to realise it was being played on the organ!)
                    Klemperer's recording with the Philharmonia is indeed stately, but still 30" quicker than that travesty! Why? Why on earth make the arrangement, learn it, play it, record it, and then put it on the radio?

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30289

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Opinionated Knowall View Post
                      Klemperer's recording with the Philharmonia is indeed stately, but still 30" quicker than that travesty! Why? Why on earth make the arrangement, learn it, play it, record it, and then put it on the radio?
                      Just listened again (partly). It's quite a neat virtuoso performance but … the music, the music …
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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