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  • Eine Alpensinfonie
    Host
    • Nov 2010
    • 20570

    Discovery and Innovation weekend

    At first, I was a little put out by the shortening of Record Review this morning, but was soon choking on my words, when it seemed that Radio 3 was at last doing something worthwhile in presenting more modern music.
    Okay, it's only one weekend, and it will probably be forgotten about from Monday onwards, but let's give credit when it's due. Naturally, the commentary is one continuous advertisement for the BBC. The number of times those three (two?) letters are being repeated may be irritating, but the music itself is most refreshing.
  • Old Grumpy
    Full Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 3610

    #2
    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
    At first, I was a little put out by the shortening of Record Review this morning, but was soon choking on my words, when it seemed that Radio 3 was at last doing something worthwhile in presenting more modern music.
    Okay, it's only one weekend, and it will probably be forgotten about from Monday onwards, but let's give credit when it's due. Naturally, the commentary is one continuous advertisement for the BBC. The number of times those three (two?) letters are being repeated may be irritating, but the music itself is most refreshing.
    OK, but no reason for the BBC to shunt JRR right off Sunday's schedule...

    ... especially as CE (worthy as it is) is still present, despite being available on Sounds from Wednesday!

    OG

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30281

      #3
      I know I'm a party pooper but … just to make up for it, and show a bit of public spirit (for once), here's this morning's programme:

      A weekend of discovery and innovation from the BBC orchestras and choirs.


      I did smile at:

      "The BBC SO kick off a weekend of discovery and innovation from the BBC orchestras and choirs with music by Anna Meredith, Harrison Birtwistle, Elizabeth Maconchy and Walton."

      That will be … William Walton, I presume? You know you've arrived when they omit your first name.

      And this afternoon: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000t7yz

      "The BBC Scottish SO play music by Sibelius, Helen Grime, Hanna Tuulikki and Jonathan Harvey.

      I do have one carp though - it shouldn't need special weekends, days, seasons, anniversaries &c to include regularly such 'innovations', be they women, ethnic minority, contemporary. Just a firm hand on the tiller ensuring that they get a fair crack of the whip throughout the year.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Richard Barrett
        Guest
        • Jan 2016
        • 6259

        #4
        what?... oh yes I see... (goes back to sleep)

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        • Nick Armstrong
          Host
          • Nov 2010
          • 26533

          #5
          Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
          OK, but no reason for the BBC to shunt JRR right off Sunday's schedule...

          ... especially as CE (worthy as it is) is still present, despite being available on Sounds from Wednesday!

          OG
          Agreed!
          "...the isle is full of noises,
          Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
          Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
          Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22119

            #6
            Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post
            OK, but no reason for the BBC to shunt JRR right off Sunday's schedule...

            ... especially as CE (worthy as it is) is still present, despite being available on Sounds from Wednesday!

            OG
            Is there a religion quota on R3?

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            • teamsaint
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              • Nov 2010
              • 25208

              #7
              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              Is there a religion quota on R3?
              I don’t think there is a quota, just a requirement to broadcast services with ‘ a strong musical element.( see section 5.3, but I may have missed something)

              I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

              I am not a number, I am a free man.

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              • jayne lee wilson
                Banned
                • Jul 2011
                • 10711

                #8
                The music involved this weekend isn't always especially "new", no.....but responding to two days (two days, oh how terrible!) of what is undoubtedly (in the present cultural context) innovative programming with comments about "where's my favourite program?", the only thing this thread is saying to radio 3 is: "damned if you do, damned if you don't..."

                Of course it shouldn't need special weekends... but the effort is being made, and it should be encouraged, surely....


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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30281

                  #9
                  Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
                  I don’t think there is a quota, just a requirement to broadcast services with ‘ a strong musical element.
                  News and religious broadcasting are both part of the BBC's non-negotiable 'public service' output. There may be an unstated 'quota'. At least CE does have a worthwhile musical content. As far as I know there's no 'quota' for jazz or world music either. Amounts can fluctuate according to the whims of controllers. At least the jazz that is broadcast is aimed at jazz enthusiasts - more than can be said about the classical output being aimed at classical enthusiasts.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Serial_Apologist
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                    • Dec 2010
                    • 37671

                    #10
                    Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                    The music involved this weekend isn't always especially "new", no.....but responding to two days (two days, oh how terrible!) of what is undoubtedly (in the present cultural context) innovative programming with comments about "where's my favourite program?", the only thing this thread is saying to radio 3 is: "damned if you do, damned if you don't..."

                    Of course it shouldn't need special weekends... but the effort is being made, and it should be encouraged, surely....


                    In this instance I think the snotiness is justified. If you check you will see that Jazz Record Requests is being cancelled in favour of an alternative hour of.... not something "new", but a re-broadcast - a re-broadcast - of last Wednesday's Choral Evensong.

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                    • Serial_Apologist
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                      • Dec 2010
                      • 37671

                      #11
                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      News and religious broadcasting are both part of the BBC's non-negotiable 'public service' output. There may be an unstated 'quota'. At least CE does have a worthwhile musical content. As far as I know there's no 'quota' for jazz or world music either. Amounts can fluctuate according to the whims of controllers. At least the jazz that is broadcast is aimed at jazz enthusiasts - more than can be said about the classical output being aimed at classical enthusiasts.
                      Exactly!

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                      • eighthobstruction
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 6437

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                        Exactly!
                        ....Choaral bleedin Evensong....Phhhhshhhwwww....nice music sometimes but....the first Reading is a completely unintelligible cul-de-sac....and so is the Second....if you started mid paragraph/verse listening through gauze it might be betTER ....given forth in C of E gobldeegook intona-a-a-a-Ation....(but equally we will not talk about jazz lips /speak from the chest intona[wobbley -a] tion...

                        Angry Glusburn North Yorks....<just angry about everything generally><cup of tea emoticon>

                        ....some really enjoyable music today....
                        bong ching

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 12969

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
                          Exactly!
                          Spot on!!

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                          • oddoneout
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2015
                            • 9184

                            #14
                            Originally posted by french frank View Post

                            I do have one carp though - it shouldn't need special weekends, days, seasons, anniversaries &c to include regularly such 'innovations', be they women, ethnic minority, contemporary. Just a firm hand on the tiller ensuring that they get a fair crack of the whip throughout the year.
                            Certainly distributing the exotic fruit more evenly through the cake would help to avoid the inevitable grumbles when regular programmes get displaced, although there will always be situations when it is deemed appropriate to give over big chunks or airtime to a particular occasion I think.
                            If the opera relay had been shunted instead that would have freed up space for JRR...

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                            • Old Grumpy
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                              • Jan 2011
                              • 3610

                              #15
                              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post

                              If the opera relay had been shunted instead that would have freed up space for JRR...

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