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  • Ein Heldenleben
    Full Member
    • Apr 2014
    • 6783

    Originally posted by french frank View Post
    Whose purpose? There was a time when Radio 3 managers were well aware of the gaping cultural divide between themselves, what they were trying to achieve, and the BBC's top brass. They tried their best to hold the line; but for more than 20 years now, Radio 3 managers have simply taken the BBC shilling, tugged their forelocks and presided over the slowly declining intellectual standards. Without a murmur of dissent.
    The argument over what Radio 3 (and Third Programme ) should be is as old as the hills. Donald McLeod mentioned yesterday that Robert Simpson resigned decades ago over the move to a more music based service. Donald pondered what RS would have thought of TTN - the all music service Donald launched. Earlier than that F.R Leavis excoriated the Third Programme for its “Metropolitan”* literary coverage - though he confessed he didn’t know enough about music to criticise its music coverage. Mind you the literary coverage then was so, so much better.

    * key Leavisite term of general disapprobation referring to the back-scratching nature of literary journalism.
    PS in the last 30 mins Petroc has played barely two pieces of classical music - Haydn Rider Qt and the Britten piano and orchestra piece with the flashy scales.
    He has also paid fulsome (Cornish back-scratching? ) tribute to Kneehigh theatre who are distinctly non-“Metropolitan”

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    • Eine Alpensinfonie
      Host
      • Nov 2010
      • 20570

      Originally posted by Frances_iom
      - the BBC justs wants to survive and those lucky enough to have gained an above average education can go hang - after all they are a dying breed.
      Now you know that concept isn’t mathematically possible.

      I agree with your sentiment though.

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30292

        Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
        The argument over what Radio 3 (and Third Programme ) should be is as old as the hills.
        Yes, and going back further, the attacks on the Third Programme came from outside the BBC; but the Third was the BBC's own creation. I think they did try to respond to the criticism. The problem is, it hasn't mattered how much Radio 3 has attempted to 'move with the times' (i.e. be more populist), it's never enough for the critics. The cartoon representation of a station where the presenters speak with cutglass accents and wear dinner jackets, and announcers ploddingly take longer to explain the narrative behind a Schubert song than it takes to sing it, is too good a joke to abandon.

        The latest Radio 3 innovations seem to me to be the most craven and self-serving, and the critics inside the BBC are now more influential than those outside. The defence has crumbled.
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • LMcD
          Full Member
          • Sep 2017
          • 8470

          Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
          The argument over what Radio 3 (and Third Programme ) should be is as old as the hills. Donald McLeod mentioned yesterday that Robert Simpson resigned decades ago over the move to a more music based service. Donald pondered what RS would have thought of TTN - the all music service Donald launched. Earlier than that F.R Leavis excoriated the Third Programme for its “Metropolitan”* literary coverage - though he confessed he didn’t know enough about music to criticise its music coverage. Mind you the literary coverage then was so, so much better.

          * key Leavisite term of general disapprobation referring to the back-scratching nature of literary journalism.
          PS in the last 30 mins Petroc has played barely two pieces of classical music - Haydn Rider Qt and the Britten piano and orchestra piece with the flashy scales.
          He has also paid fulsome (Cornish back-scratching? ) tribute to Kneehigh theatre who are distinctly non-“Metropolitan”
          I'm prepared to cut him a little slack on St Petroc's Day. I really enjoyed the Alwyn

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22122

            Originally posted by LMcD View Post
            I'm prepared to cut him a little slack on St Petroc's Day. I really enjoyed the Alwyn
            Feet either side of the Tamar!

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6783

              Originally posted by LMcD View Post
              I'm prepared to cut him a little slack on St Petroc's Day. I really enjoyed the Alwyn
              Yes me too - I can’t think of another piece of music with St Petroc in the title ....

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              • AuntDaisy
                Host
                • Jun 2018
                • 1653

                Here's what we missed from TTN this morning...
                Fully available to our European friends, e.g. Swedish radio


                05:01 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart; Don Giovanni K 527 (Overture); Danish Radio Sinfonietta, Adam Fischer (conductor)
                05:07 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Franz Danzi (arranger); Duos from Don Giovanni; Duo Fouquet (duo), Elizabeth Dolin (cello), Guy Fouquet (cello)
                05:12 Theodor Rogalski; 3 Romanian Dances; Romanian Youth Orchestra, Cristian Mandeal (conductor)
                05:24 Dora Pejacevic; Life of Flowers, Op 19; Ida Gamulin (piano)
                05:45 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart; Basta vincesti ... Ah, non lasciarmi K.486a; Rosemary Joshua (soprano), Freiburg Baroque Orchestra, Rene Jacobs (conductor)
                05:50 Maurice Ravel; Une Barque sur l'ocean; Trondheim Symphony Orchestra, Eivind Aadland (conductor)
                05:58 Joseph Haydn; Symphony No.64 in A major, Hob: I/64, 'Tempora mutantur'
                Danish Radio Sinfonietta, Rolf Gupta (conductor)
                06:18 Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart; Piano Quartet in G minor, K478; Trio Ondine, Antoine Tamestit (viola)
                06:42 Orlande de Lassus; Omnia tempus habent; King's Singers
                06:47 Paul Schoenfield; 4 Souvenirs for violin and piano; Elena Urioste (violin), Michael Brown (piano)
                Info from


                I'm enjoying the Don Giovanni duos on 'cello; there seems to be a Mozart theme for this block.

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                • AuntDaisy
                  Host
                  • Jun 2018
                  • 1653

                  Here's what we missed from TTN today...
                  Available to our European friends, e.g. Swedish radio listeners


                  05:01 Ludwig van Beethoven; Adagio in E flat (WoO.43 No.2) for mandolin and piano; Lajos Mayer (mandolin), Imre Rohmann (piano)
                  05:07 Max Bruch; Romance, Op 85; Adrien Boisseau (viola), Polish Sinfonia luventus Orchestra, Jose Maria Florencio (conductor)
                  05:17 Fryderyk Chopin; Four Mazurkas; Ashley Wass (piano)
                  05:27 Filip Kutev; Sakar Suite, for symphony orchestra; Bulgarian National Radio Symphony Orchestra, Vassil Stefanov (conductor)
                  02:48 Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Alexei Tolstoy (author); 4 songs to texts by Alexei Tolstoy (Op.38 Nos.1-3 & Op.47 No.5); Mikael Axelsson (bass), Niklas Sivelov (piano)
                  06:01 Friedrich Kuhlau; Grand Quartet for 4 flutes in E minor (Op.103); Valentinas Kazlauskas (flute), Albertas Stupakas (flute), Lina Baublyte (flute), Giedrius Gelgotas (flute)
                  06:24 Georg Philipp Telemann; Suite in G major, TWV.55:G2, 'La Bizarre'; B'Rock, Jurgen Gross (conductor)
                  06:41 Franz Schubert; Overture from 'Fierrabras' (D.796); Netherlands Radio Chamber Orchestra, Hans Zender (conductor)
                  06:51 Carl Maria von Weber; 2 Arias: 'Wie nahte mir der Schlummer' and 'Leise, Leise, fromme Weise'; Joanne Kolomyjec (soprano), Calgary Philharmonic Orchestra, Mario Bernardi (conductor)
                  Info from https://www.ebu.ch/files/live/sites/...une%202021.pdf

                  The Beethoven was a lovely piece to start on & new to me.

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                  • NHTL
                    Full Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 42

                    According to the new Radio Times we willl be getting a full ‘Through the night’ this coming Friday/Saturday (18th/19th June). I hope it is a permanent change!
                    Last edited by NHTL; 16-06-21, 05:42.

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                    • Quarky
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 2658

                      Originally posted by NHTL View Post
                      According to the new Radio Times we willl be getting a full ‘Through the night’ this coming Friday/Saturday (18th/19th June). I hope it is a permanent change!
                      Well not quite, but going in the right direction. According to the BBC website Calendar, the offending programmes have been shifted, and are now concatenated with Late Junction, extending from 11 pm to 3 am..

                      Used to be a big fan of Late Junction, in the days of Mad Max, but my tastes have changed. Scope for some compression of these three programmes?

                      Martin Handley will be compering Breakfast. Another big plus, imv.

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                      • oddoneout
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2015
                        • 9204

                        Originally posted by NHTL View Post
                        According to the new Radio Times we willl be getting a full ‘Through the night’ this coming Friday/Saturday (18th/19th June). I hope it is a permanent change!
                        We can hope but I think it may be a forlorn exercise. I suspect that that TTN slot has now been permanently designated as the radio equivalent of prime building land owned by a developer which has no regard for local needs and wishes.

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                        • LMcD
                          Full Member
                          • Sep 2017
                          • 8470

                          TTN slots this weekend:
                          Saturday 0300-0700
                          Sunday 0100-0700
                          I gave up relying on the Radio Times a long time ago, although it can't be blamed for schedule changes that are announced too late for inclusion.

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                          • kernelbogey
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5746

                            Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                            We can hope but I think it may be a forlorn exercise. I suspect that that TTN slot has now been permanently designated as the radio equivalent of prime building land owned by a developer which has no regard for local needs and wishes.


                            And... the musical equivalent of 'the sausage war'...?

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                            • LMcD
                              Full Member
                              • Sep 2017
                              • 8470

                              It looks as though we're stuck with Piano Flow and Happy Harmonies until at least 3rd July. One shudders to think what might replace them.

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                              • AuntDaisy
                                Host
                                • Jun 2018
                                • 1653

                                Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                                It looks as though we're stuck with Piano Flow and Happy Harmonies until at least 3rd July. One shudders to think what might replace them.
                                Maybe they'll try and attract the oldies back & restore political balance with:
                                • Boris's Bruckner bonanza.
                                • Govey's gruesome Grieg.
                                • Keir's Khachaturian kedgeree.

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