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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30239

    When that media briefing says, "Jorja Smith and Celeste dive into the comforts of music - from orchestral music and piano to pop - in new series for BBC Radio 3 and BBC Sounds", what do they mean by BBC Sounds? Is this different from a radio programme being available after broadcast in BBC Sounds - which all programmes are?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30239

      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      Quarky, Do you know which of these is responsible for Local radio and its diaobolical music policy?
      If you want a name https://www.bbc.com/aboutthebbc/whoweare/chris-burns\

      And good luck if you think of putting in an FOI request:

      As a regular listener to BBC Local Radio I became aware that there were a small number of current music tracks that get played very frequently. On further investigation via my local BBC manager, the Regional Audience Council and the whatdotheyknow.com web site it has become apparent that this is a specific item in the BBC English Regions Local Radio Music Policy. In the response to RFI20090367 - Freedom of Information request, you stated that:- "BBC Local Radio music policy consists of three elements. • The core – the recurring repertoire of popular hits from the last 40 or 50 years. • The playlist – a small number of carefully selected current releases. • Specialist music. This includes well known genres like jazz and folk and BBC Introducing – the partnership with BBC Radio 1 in which unsigned local talent from the genres of pop and rock are showcased." and went on to elaborate on the "playlist":- "The playlist songs are not tested. It’s not practical to do so within our budgets. So the selections are made by a panel of experienced staff from BBC Local Radio stations from around the country who gather on a weekly phone hook-up." I note that your reply did not actually provide the details requested in the original FOI request! What you also didn't say in the reply was that this policy results in this small number of current releases(10!) being played upto 3 times per DAY everday for several weeks on ALL BBC Local Radio Stations. The frequency with which this list is played represents a significant amount of air time nationally, this can be considered as "plugging"! That, on its own, contravenes the BBC main Policy, BUT also this part of the policy must be considered as a serious potential target for abuse & even financial gain. With the BBCs ongoing budgetry constraints I doubt if the undemocratic playlist selection process is being adequately policed! A policy like this should be properly documented with Targets & defined monitoring & measuring processes, to check that it is working as intended and not alienating the "Target Audience", does any of this exist? So far I've seen nothing that gives any reassurance that it does! Can the BBC provide details of any monitoring that is done to ensure that this policy is not distorting the current music charts for record sales, including Web downloads? Can the BBC provide details of the steps taken to ensure that all those involved in the selection of the playlist do not abuse this policy for personal or financial gain? Yours faithfully, Bill Constable
      Last edited by french frank; 16-01-21, 16:21.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Nick Armstrong
        Host
        • Nov 2010
        • 26523

        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
        I blundered into this, having had TTN on.... It was truly awful, IMVVHO.

        Had a quick listen on ‘Sounds’... I VVH agree with your VVHO. Words fail me (well, almost).

        “An hour of healing” says the blurb. You’re not allowed to bandy words like that around for tea or low-fat spreads, say the advertising standards authorities: it certainly shouldn’t be allowed for this programming nightmare.

        If I came across this in the early hours feeling other than utmost mental fortitude (not to mention intestinal fortitude), this would tip me right over the edge


        Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
        therapeutic.... gritted teeth.... rapidly rising blood pressure.
        Exactly. “Healing”...
        "...the isle is full of noises,
        Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
        Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
        Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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        • Leinster Lass
          Banned
          • Oct 2020
          • 1099

          Originally posted by Roslynmuse View Post
          Now, that's what I call a therapeutic safe space.

          Out of curiosity I listened to the opening of this morning's programme on Sounds. I lasted the verbal introduction (through gritted teeth and with rapidly rising blood pressure) and couldn't turn the ensuing musak off quickly enough.

          I wonder what William Glock would have made of it?

          I think a little late Fauré is just what I need right now to regain my equilibrium.
          Where will your little foray take you, I wonder?

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          • Ein Heldenleben
            Full Member
            • Apr 2014
            • 6746

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            One of the downsides of getting rid of Google Analytics is that we can no longer see how many BBC computers access the forum to check up on what we're saying.
            What would have been an average would you say ?

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            • Ein Heldenleben
              Full Member
              • Apr 2014
              • 6746

              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
              Quarky, Do you know which of these is responsible for Local radio and its diaobolical music policy?
              Try Chris Burns - local radio (or used to ) has a computer generated playlist that is the product of focus group listening.
              In terms of ‘diabolical’ in fact heavy metal and groups like the Stones don’t rate well ....

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              • Quarky
                Full Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 2656

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                When that media briefing says, "Jorja Smith and Celeste dive into the comforts of music - from orchestral music and piano to pop - in new series for BBC Radio 3 and BBC Sounds", what do they mean by BBC Sounds? Is this different from a radio programme being available after broadcast in BBC Sounds - which all programmes are?
                As far as I can see, BBC sounds is just responsible for putting BBC programmes online, and no more than that:: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/help/qu...d-our-policies

                But who knows how it may develop.....

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                • kernelbogey
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 5735

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post
                  ....in new series for BBC Radio 3 and BBC Sounds", what do they mean by BBC Sounds? Is this different from a radio programme being available after broadcast in BBC Sounds - which all programmes are?
                  This seems to be the new buzz-phrase on the Beeb - promting Sounds as though it's a separate thing. Which, if you don't listen regularly to live radio, I suppose it is. But I'm hearing that phraseology on all the trails, now.

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                  • Leinster Lass
                    Banned
                    • Oct 2020
                    • 1099

                    Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
                    This seems to be the new buzz-phrase on the Beeb - promting Sounds as though it's a separate thing. Which, if you don't listen regularly to live radio, I suppose it is. But I'm hearing that phraseology on all the trails, now.
                    Just to add to the confusion, I heard an on-air announcement referring to 'BBC Audio' the other day.

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                    • jayne lee wilson
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2011
                      • 10711

                      BBC Sounds is just the umbrella/promotional/technical term for this.......

                      Listen without limits, with BBC Sounds. Catch the latest music tracks, discover binge-worthy podcasts, or listen to radio shows - all whenever you want.


                      ....all radio services, whether live, podded, highlighted or anything else....

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30239

                        Originally posted by Leinster Lass View Post
                        Just to add to the confusion, I heard an on-air announcement referring to 'BBC Audio' the other day.
                        Don't know what it meant there, though technically it could include live radio, on demand programmes, podcasts.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • cloughie
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2011
                          • 22114

                          Thank you ff and quarky for the information.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30239

                            Originally posted by jayne lee wilson View Post
                            BBC Sounds is just the umbrella/promotional/technical term for this.......

                            Listen without limits, with BBC Sounds. Catch the latest music tracks, discover binge-worthy podcasts, or listen to radio shows - all whenever you want.


                            ....all radio services, whether live, podded, highlighted or anything else....
                            Doesn't that make it a tautology to say 'for BBC Radio 3 and BBC Sounds'?
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • jayne lee wilson
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2011
                              • 10711

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              Doesn't that make it a tautology to say 'for BBC Radio 3 and BBC Sounds'?
                              Not at all, very obviously....they are not coterminous... see my link.....

                              BBC Audio is more specifically about the Engineering side, though it will of course highlight some programmes too...
                              Podcasts – music – radio – live events – sound design

                              BBC Audio have over 650 staff in bases in Birmingham, Bristol, London and Salford.


                              This is the department you used to get, long ago, in a Galaxy far away, when you phoned up about FM compression, aerials, and concert relay SQ etc....and often very helpful and informative they were...
                              I found out a lot about DAB's shortcomings that way, until the starkly revealing honesty coming down the line seemed to get too much for the powers above....

                              When I got my first FM Tuner, a pretty decent Pioneer F-656 (note for audiophiles: no, I couldn't afford the legendary F-91 but never stopped regretting that), I wasn't doing too well with it (noise, birdies, hiss etc) and the Engineer had me following his instructions.... "push this button.... OK now try this....right, what's happening now....?"

                              Some of the best early advice I got..... net result a few days later: a much bigger FM Aerial.... very effective it was.
                              Last edited by jayne lee wilson; 16-01-21, 16:58.

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22114

                                Originally posted by Heldenleben View Post
                                Try Chris Burns - local radio (or used to ) has a computer generated playlist that is the product of focus group listening.
                                In terms of ‘diabolical’ in fact heavy metal and groups like the Stones don’t rate well ....
                                I would guess that focus group includes nobody over 50!

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