Piazzolla Cacophony by Golijov

[Paulie55]

Oh how I absolutely hate Piazzolla's music and that string piece in homage to him by Golijov was absolutely awful. Overrated composers, both of them!

[Bryn]

Oh how I absolutely hate Piazzolla's music and that string piece in homage to him by Golijov was absolutely awful. Overrated composers, both of them!

I do not know the work in question but will seek it out. I read you comments as quite a recommendation.

[ardcarp]

Here's an interesting tango:

https://www.jacquielawson.com/ecard/pickup/r0e34055321fa4c5aa1ea44fe168451c8?source=jl999

I confess it was sent as a Valentine card to me.

I like Piazzolla in small doses. I suppose he was an obsessive I know nothing about the tribute piece!

[jayne lee wilson]

Oh how I absolutely hate Piazzolla's music and that string piece in homage to him by Golijov was absolutely awful. Overrated composers, both of them!

Where of you do not Love, thereof be silent.....
(apologies to LW...)

[Paulie55]

Not at all

Where of you do not Love, thereof be silent.....
(apologies to LW...)

No, I am simply expressing an opinion and have a right to do so. After all, there are lots of other "dislikes" on here....

[Serial_Apologist]

No, I am simply expressing an opinion and have a right to do so. After all, there are lots of other "dislikes" on here....

But jayne was availing herself of Ludwig Wittgenstein's reference to the inexpressible - in words, that is.

[jayne lee wilson]

But jayne was availing herself of Ludwig Wittgenstein's reference to the inexpressible - in words, that is.

.....the forum lives on....

...an absence of Love is, in the purest sense, an absence of understanding....

[teamsaint]

I like some Golijov.

It's not always a popular view, but there it is.

[Quarky]

....South American culture.....
....South American Getaway....
....Piazolla Fuga y Misterioso
...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w31V...Kqmi7o&index=5

Not too much to complain about there, I would hope!

[Dave2002]

But jayne was availing herself of Ludwig Wittgenstein's reference to the inexpressible - in words, that is.

Indeed, but that doesn’t make it any more valid - simply slightly more erudite.

[jayne lee wilson]

Indeed, but that doesn’t make it any more valid - simply slightly more erudite.

In judging its artistic value ("absolutely awful"), is the subjective "absolute hatred" of a musical work or of a composer as valid as the liking, or the love, of such?

[Dave2002]

In judging its artistic value ("absolutely awful"), is the subjective "absolute hatred" of a musical work or of a composer as valid as the liking, or the love, of such?

Perhaps, at least as regards music, everyone has a right to like or dislike something, and also if they really must, to express that view publicly. Others don’t have to agree, and can make their own inferences. I dislike most pop music, but I realise that there’s not a lot of point in my raising that view over and over.

[jayne lee wilson]

Perhaps, at least as regards music, everyone has a right to like or dislike something, and also if they really must, to express that view publicly. Others don’t have to agree, and can make their own inferences. I dislike most pop music, but I realise that there’s not a lot of point in my raising that view over and over.

Simply: likes/dislikes need no justification; judgements do.

Big difference between saying: "I hate Piazzolla" and "Golijov and Piazzola are overrated composers" - the latter needs examples, comparisons and argument; the former doesn't.
(The title of this thread is itself a dismissive judgement).

Consider: "I hate Mahler, his music always exhausts me"

and

"Mahler's Symphonies are overrated; they show a poor understanding of symphonic form"....

[Serial_Apologist]

Simply: likes/dislikes need no justification; judgements do.

Big difference between saying: "I hate Piazzolla" and "Golijov and Piazzola are overrated composers" - the latter needs examples, comparisons and argument; the former doesn't.
(The title of this thread is itself a dismissive judgement).

Consider: "I hate Mahler, his music always exhausts me"

and

"Mahler's Symphonies are overrated; they show a poor understanding of symphonic form"....

The jazz pianist Keith Tippett expressed such a view - I can't now remember whether it was in a radio interview or in conversation with a group of us - when he said, "If you say you hate my music", I can go with that because I have no alternative but to. But when you say 'you music is rubbish', I think we're entitled to know in what way it is rubbish".

[LMcD]

Oh how I absolutely hate Piazzolla's music and that string piece in homage to him by Golijov was absolutely awful. Overrated composers, both of them!

I can listen to Piazzolla's music for nanoseconds on end.