Skelly replaces Cowan

[teamsaint]

... precisely. And those who find it makes them feel important to have their names read out - well, they should bloody well grow up. This is supposed to be a channel for grown-ups...


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Although there are a lot of people around, ( just as one example) who for one good reason ( crap job/boss, being a full time carer, ill health, whatever) or another feel rather unimportant and left behind in their day to day life, so if having their name read out on the radio makes that person's day, then there is a place for it, if kept to a limited space in the schedules, in my opinion. There are plenty of other listening options for that segment of time if hearing people's names read out is that problematic.

Radio often performs a social function, and an important one. Radio Solent's late night slot ( as well as their sport) is really superb at involving many people who quite clearly have the radio as an important link to the outside world. Seems like they do a great job, to me.

( Isn't it a channel for all ages ? R3 has been encouraging young people to get involved).

[cloughie]

Although there are a lot of people around, ( just as one example) who for one good reason ( crap job/boss, being a full time carer, ill health, whatever) or another feel rather unimportant and left behind in their day to day life, so if having their name read out on the radio makes that person's day, then there is a place for it, if kept to a limited space in the schedules, in my opinion. There are plenty of other listening options for that segment of time if hearing people's names read out is that problematic.

Radio often performs a social function, and an important one. Radio Solent's late night slot ( as well as their sport) is really superb at involving many people who quite clearly have the radio as an important link to the outside world. Seems like they do a great job, to me.

I agree ts, and vints, why when we cannot halt the ageing process can't we settle for not growing up? Radio 3's poor morning output means I am listening more to Radio Cornwall who have some presenters who leave the national conterparts standing! Then why would they want to be stuck in London or Salford when they can ply their trade here!

[DracoM]

<< R3 has been encouraging young people to get involved >>

How?

[teamsaint]

<< R3 has been encouraging young people to get involved >>

How?

Stuff like this? ( Ten Pieces)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/2j1vg5QlqdfqY8NbBtDLY83/ten-pieces-that-will-make-your-kids-instant-classical-music-fans

[Serial_Apologist]

Stuff like this? ( Ten Pieces)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/arti...cal-music-fans

It's not the same programme, though.

[teamsaint]

It's not the same programme, though.

No it isn't. I was just talking about that aspect of Radio 3, which Vinny raised, in general.

[DracoM]

It's not the same programme, though.

[teamsaint]

Vinny said that R3 is supposed to be a channel for Grown ups, and I just pointed out that R3 has features such as Ten Pieces specifically aimed at children.

In any case, I imagine that quite a lot of young people (GCSE music students for example) do listen .

[hmvman]

Saturday Classics sounds like it's aimed at children most weeks…

[french frank]

I imagine that quite a lot of young people (GCSE music students for example) do listen .

Hard to say as R1 and 1Xtra appear to be the only stations where they bother to record the ages from 10-15 as well as 15+ (about 850k for R1 and 53k for R1X - some of whom may also be included in R1's figures). I was told the reason that Making Tracks was axed was because so few R3 listeners had children of that age. Left to themselves to choose which station they want to listen to they choose R1. R3 has 153k 15-24s but how many are 'just' listening to e.g. Late Junction which some of us believe was only introduced as bait to draw in people not keen on Radio 3's normal fare?

How many broadcast hours are taken up by Ten Pieces in the average year? As for 'GCSE music students' - there are fewer of these than ever before, and why would they listen to R3 in preference to R1? They both play 'music'.

There is, in my own opinion, NO excuse for having swathes of R3 schedule targeted on 'children', whether adults or non-adults.

[Rob Cowan]

I have got a library ticket FF, which I use with some zeal ... but I'm still a sucker for the printed page, the feel of it, the smell of it and the sheer presence of printing ink on paper. Nothing like it. I've often protested about the fate of libraries - esp. with guests on R3 - I think their treatment (the libraries, that is) by the government is nothing short of despicable. As to reading names/answers right or wrong, would you be terribly offended if I passed on that one? It's all in my rear-view mirror now, even though I view much of the fading scenery with some affection. What's in front of me seems to offer plenty of potential and I want to jump at the opportunity of realising it. Your question is best addressed to Suzy and (as of Christmas Day) Ian and the production team. Best, as ever.

[teamsaint]

Hard to say as R1 and 1Xtra appear to be the only stations where they bother to record the ages from 10-15 as well as 15+ (about 850k for R1 and 53k for R1X - some of whom may also be included in R1's figures). I was told the reason that Making Tracks was axed was because so few R3 listeners had children of that age. Left to themselves to choose which station they want to listen to they choose R1. R3 has 153k 15-24s but how many are 'just' listening to e.g. Late Junction which some of us believe was only introduced as bait to draw in people not keen on Radio 3's normal fare?

How many broadcast hours are taken up by Ten Pieces in the average year? As for 'GCSE music students' - there are fewer of these than ever before, and why would they listen to R3 in preference to R1? They both play 'music'.

There is, in my own opinion, NO excuse for having swathes of R3 schedule targeted on 'children', whether adults or non-adults.

I'm sure your analysis of the figures is spot on. But I doubt in any case there are likely to be great swathes of R3 targeted on children any time soon. Things like Ten Pieces are, I think, probably more to do with box ticking( perhaps of the genuinely worthy variety) than anything else.
But, in my opinion, the station ought to have an openess to broadcasting for all ages, beyond catering in the main its core market. As I have said often, " Discovering Music" could be an excellent platform for engaging audiences outside of the core listenership, including younger listeners.

I don't understand your point about GCSE students. Why wouldn't they listen to R3? Some clearly do, in preference to R1, not the listening of choice of many young people.

[french frank]

I'm sure your analysis of the figures is spot on. But I doubt in any case there are likely to be great swathes of R3 targeted on children any time soon.

I was also taking up hmvman's point about Saturday Classics - and some of us could add to the number of programmes that 'talk down' to listeners as if they were children. The 'I am the trusted guide' syndrome.

But, in my opinion, the station ought to have an openess to broadcasting for all ages, beyond catering in the main its core market. As I have said often, " Discovering Music" could be an excellent platform for engaging audiences outside of the core listenership, including younger listeners.

The problem comes when a programme tries to cater for such a 'broad audience' whether 'broad' by age or knowledge level. It ends up pleasing very few.

I don't understand your point about GCSE students. Why wouldn't they listen to R3? Some clearly do, in preference to R1, not the listening of choice of many young people.

My point would be that there would be very few who would a) be studying GCSE music and b) choosing to listen to Radio 3. Could one cater specifically for such an audience? If so, in what part of the schedule and for how many hours a day?

[Stanfordian]

I'm sure your analysis of the figures is spot on. But I doubt in any case there are likely to be great swathes of R3 targeted on children any time soon. Things like Ten Pieces are, I think, probably more to do with box ticking( perhaps of the genuinely worthy variety) than anything else.
But, in my opinion, the station ought to have an openess to broadcasting for all ages, beyond catering in the main its core market. As I have said often, " Discovering Music" could be an excellent platform for engaging audiences outside of the core listenership, including younger listeners.

I don't understand your point about GCSE students. Why wouldn't they listen to R3? Some clearly do, in preference to R1, not the listening of choice of many young people.

I've always been under the impression that young people don't generally choose to tune into R3. Maybe some music students might, I don't know. I'd love to see a percentage age group breakdown of the R3 listenership. On a lighter note I've always felt that classical music played where young people gather would clear the place.

With the odd exception I often attend classical music concerts and operas and at age 60 I am one of the youngest there.

[french frank]

I have got a library ticket FF, which I use with some zeal ... but I'm still a sucker for the printed page, the feel of it, the smell of it and the sheer presence of printing ink on paper. Nothing like it. I've often protested about the fate of libraries - esp. with guests on R3 - I think their treatment (the libraries, that is) by the government is nothing short of despicable. As to reading names/answers right or wrong, would you be terribly offended if I passed on that one? It's all in my rear-view mirror now, even though I view much of the fading scenery with some affection. What's in front of me seems to offer plenty of potential and I want to jump at the opportunity of realising it. Your question is best addressed to Suzy and (as of Christmas Day) Ian and the production team. Best, as ever.

Glad to hear it , Rob. I have the blue Stanley Sadie (who was a FoR3 supporter!) Grove. It's still quite handy but online ensures that the information is kept up to date. I have the OED (compact edition in 2 vols, provided with a magnifying glass - now lost) but the online version is incomparably more convenient. ODNB I have never possessed though they offered me one (as a meagre contributor) cut price. I would hate to have to rely on Wikipedia instead of that. Then there's Who's Who and Who was Who. Great value from my council tax!