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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30283

    Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
    Sycophants, Toadies ...
    48 hours ago the usual 6-8 were slagging Rob off something rotten ...
    Now he's appeared, they want to polish his wellies & carry his rucksack ...
    Pathetic.
    It's often difficult to separate the presenter from what he or she is presenting. There was one presenter who wrote privately (to me) saying: 'It's not much fun getting the flak for decisions made much higher than my humble station in life.' Quite, the presenters stand in the front line when there's any flak going even when they are not the main problem. As I read it, those who didn't like Rob's style still don't.

    Does that make any sense with you, Zucchini?
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • BBMmk2
      Late Member
      • Nov 2010
      • 20908

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      It's often difficult to separate the presenter from what he or she is presenting. There was one presenter who wrote privately (to me) saying: 'It's not much fun getting the flak for decisions made much higher than my humble station in life.' Quite, the presenters stand in the front line when there's any flak going even when they are not the main problem. As I read it, those who didn't like Rob's style still don't.

      Does that make any sense with you, Zucchini?
      I always have like the way Rob presented himself on Radio 3. A friendly, knowledgeable style, whilst not being patronising.
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      • teamsaint
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 25209

        Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
        Sycophants, Toadies ...
        48 hours ago the usual 6-8 were slagging Rob off something rotten ...
        Now he's appeared, they want to polish his wellies & carry his rucksack ...
        Pathetic.
        This is simply untrue.
        Some people have continued make criticisms, ( actually read the thread for confirmation)and plenty of us have always had good things to say about him.

        Anyway, there isn't actually anything bad about being polite.


        Anyway, I'll give his new CFM show a listen.
        Last edited by teamsaint; 10-12-17, 17:26.
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        • vinteuil
          Full Member
          • Nov 2010
          • 12815

          Originally posted by french frank View Post
          ... As I read it, those who didn't like Rob's style still don't.
          ... precisely.


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          • french frank
            Administrator/Moderator
            • Feb 2007
            • 30283

            Originally posted by vinteuil View Post
            ... precisely.


            .
            And have continued to say so. So neither sycophant nor toady. At least. Mind you, the rest of them, what can one say? Eh?
            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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            • ahinton
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 16122

              Originally posted by Rob Cowan View Post
              remember the tireless Joyce Hatto promoter?
              There were several of those (at least up until revelation time!); to which particular one do you refer, if I might ask? Maybe whoever it was had sought to uphold a time-honoured tradition; remember Schumann on Chopin - "Hatto, gentlemen; a genius!"?...

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              • french frank
                Administrator/Moderator
                • Feb 2007
                • 30283

                Originally posted by ahinton View Post
                There were several of those (at least up until revelation time!); to which particular one do you refer, if I might ask?
                I presume the one who was always writing in to Rob to get 'her performances' played on the programme. Were there several of those?
                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                • pastoralguy
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 7758

                  Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                  I always have like the way Rob presented himself on Radio 3. A friendly, knowledgeable style, whilst not being patronising.

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                  • cloughie
                    Full Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 22119

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    And have continued to say so. So neither sycophant nor toady. At least. Mind you, the rest of them, what can one say? Eh?
                    ...and isn't amazing how Zucchini pops in form time to time with a barbed comment then clears off again!

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                    • pastoralguy
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 7758

                      Originally posted by Rob Cowan View Post
                      Regretfully no, Pastoralguy - although before the move was intending to do one. Never mind. I want to instigate a gnomic version of it on CFM if I can. Best. Rob
                      Many thanks for the reply, Rob. Much appreciated.

                      Best of luck.

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                      • PJPJ
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2010
                        • 1461

                        Originally posted by Brassbandmaestro View Post
                        I always have like the way Rob presented himself on Radio 3. A friendly, knowledgeable style, whilst not being patronising.
                        Indeed. I agree wholeheartedly. Without any hint of a ribbit.

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                        • DracoM
                          Host
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 12969

                          How much influence is IS going to have on what is played? Or is he going to be he just another yes-sir slave to the schedules [and is that why they chose to 'promote him?], producers etc doing all the real selection work?

                          Maybe it was that lack of serious, knowledgeable input that drove RC to take the offer of a place in CFM?

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                          • doversoul1
                            Ex Member
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 7132

                            When you think about it, Ian Skelly is an odd choice for this programme which is, as far as I understand, presented by a presenter who introduces and guides those who are not very familiar with classical music with, I guess, his/her own choice of music. Sara Walker and Rob are both reviewers who have been on Record Review in their reviewers capacity. Ian Skelly on the other hand, is an excellent announcer with a very good knowledge of classical music but not a reviewer/critic who is (I guess) expected to compile his own programmes. It will be interesting to see how ‘Ian’s Essential Classic’ will turn out. Will he simply be reading the script written for him?

                            (I wonder if the ‘they’ didn’t dare ask Jonathan Swain or James Jolly, let alone Stephan Johnson to step in)

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                            • french frank
                              Administrator/Moderator
                              • Feb 2007
                              • 30283

                              Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                              It will be interesting to see how ‘Ian’s Essential Classic’ will turn out. Will he simply be reading the script written for him?
                              I very much doubt anyone will write Ian's scripts. I think he's been chosen, partly, because "they" know he's very popular with listeners. My own view is that the 'guiding listeners not very familiar with classical music' has been a total flop. The choices have seldom been 'essential classics' anything like 'Building Up A Listening Library'. It's had all the appearance of being personal choices, 'I think/hope they'll enjoy this' for 10 minutes.

                              My guess is that Ian will have a bit of the Humphrey Carpenter touch. Humph wasn't a reviewer either but Listeners Choice, albeit 'requests', built up quite a reputation for selecting the interesting/esoteric. The only snag is that 3-hour trudge. 100+ pieces a week, unless they fit in a couple of full-length pieces every day.
                              Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                              (I wonder if the ‘they’ didn’t dare ask Jonathan Swain or James Jolly, let alone Stephan Johnson to step in)
                              I wonder if they did ask them and they all said, No thank you very much.
                              Last edited by french frank; 10-12-17, 21:01.
                              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                              • doversoul1
                                Ex Member
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 7132

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                I very much doubt anyone will write Ian's scripts. I think he's been chosen, partly, because "they" know he's very popular with listeners. My own view is that the 'guiding listeners not very familiar with classical music' has been a total flop. The choices have seldom been 'essential classics' anything like 'Building Up A Listening Library'. It's had all the appearance of being personal choices, 'I think/hope they'll enjoy this' for 10 minutes.

                                My guess is that Ian will have a bit of the Humphrey Carpenter touch. Humph wasn't a reviewer either but Listeners Choice, albeit 'requests', built up quite a reputation for selecting the interesting/esoteric. The only snag is that 3-hour trudge. 100+ pieces a week, unless they fit in a couple of full-length pieces every day.


                                I wonder if they did ask them and they all said, No thank you very much.
                                That makes sense (re: H. Carpenter). Yes, it will be good if Ian will include full length works. Or rather only full length but in various length.

                                Very likely (re: No thank you).

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