Skelly replaces Cowan

[Bax-of-Delights]

Rather disturbing tweet from Donald MacLeod this morning concerning his despair at the “hell some of his colleagues are experiencing” and that “none of us are safe”. He goes on to say that he will probably be gone within the year.

[Nick Armstrong]

Rather disturbing tweet from Donald MacLeod this morning concerning his despair at the “hell some of his colleagues are experiencing” and that “none of us are safe”. He goes on to say that he will probably be gone within the year.

http://www.for3.org/forums/showthrea...676#post653676 Gloomy reading...

[Bax-of-Delights]

Hadn’t spotted your post, Caliban.
But there it is in a nutshell.

[BBMmk2]

I seem to think that they are getting rid of the older ones on their rosta?

Younger ones, pay them less?

[Bryn]

As far as I am aware, Radio 3 presenters are treated much as Deliveroo workers and the like. Supposedly self-employed and without sick or holiday pay, those of my acquaintance are understandably not particularly happy with this, any more than Deliveroo workers are.

[french frank]

Certainly freelance, which means self-employed. But there ARE bound to be changes from time to time and the BBC has a reputation for being harsh. R3 has/had at least four men over or approaching 70. Of course, they're just as capable as ever at doing the job, but I don't think it's as simple as paying younger ones less (as if that were unimportant). That said, the younger ones, more often than not, are less capable for a few years - at least.

CotW used to have rotating presenters, immediately before DM took over. Not a bad idea?

[Zucchini]

As far as I am aware, Radio 3 presenters are treated much as Deliveroo workers and the like. Supposedly self-employed and without sick or holiday pay.

How many presenters work 48 weeks a year + take 4wks holiday?
Some? None?
Sometimes they're needed.
Sometimes they're not.

[Bryn]

How many presenters work 48 weeks a year + take 4wks holiday?
Some? None?
Sometimes they're needed.
Sometimes they're not.

Quite. Just like Deliveroo workers.

[french frank]

Quite. Just like Deliveroo workers.

But, in contrast to Deliveroo, people actually want to work for the BBC. It's not a question of people being hard put to find employment at all.

[Bryn]

But, in contrast to Deliveroo, people actually want to work for the BBC. It's not a question of people being hard put to find employment at all.

Ah, I see. So if people actually want to do the work they do, they should put up with restricted employment rights.

I feel sure you must be aware of the commonly used argument that people choose to work for set-up like Deliveroo because it is the work they want to do.

[doversoul1]

Ah, I see. So if people actually want to do the work they do, they should put up with restricted employment rights.

I feel sure you must be aware of the commonly used argument that people choose to work for set-up like Deliveroo because it is the work they want to do.

Isn’t it more like 'that’s the only work they can do/find'? That or no job or much lower paid job which, I am sure, is not the case of those who work for the BBC. I imagine the BBC’s presenters put up with some restrictions because they know very well that people are queuing up to do their jobs out there.

[french frank]

I feel sure you must be aware of the commonly used argument that people choose to work for set-up like Deliveroo because it is the work they want to do.

'People'? Deliveroo, possibly [sorry, misread - I meant Deliveroo might use the argument]; though I don't think that many school leavers, graduates, would say that their ambition was to work for Deliveroo. Many media jobs are contracted 'self-employment', and yes, the fact that they are sought-after jobs means that those who engage freelancers and casuals are not legally obliged to offer the same employment rights as to permanent staff. And that many employers, as we've heard recently, are particularly grudging in what they offer.

When I did one hour's teaching a week as a postgraduate student, I was paid for five hours to include preparation time. So my assumption would be that many presenters are not doing a full-time job with the BBC and are free (up to a point with the BBC!) to work for other employers. Whose responsibility should it be to cover sick pay, holidays &c? I ask - I don't know the answer.

[oddoneout]

those who engage freelancers and casuals are not legally obliged to offer the same employment rights

Freelancers and casuals are not synonymous when it comes to employment rights.

[Aotearoa]

I have to say I gave a little groan at Ian Skelly's permanence. I find it a little patronising to talk of violinists as fiddlers, orchestras as bands, symphonies as tunes and anything at a faster pace as rollicking. Cut these cliches, please to win this listener over.

[antongould]

Looked forward to Skellers this morning but we have to Wake Up To Little Suzy so I foolishly went to the online Radio 3 Schedule which provides a picture and a presenters name so we have

Today Picture SK. Name SK
Tuesday IS IS
Wed. SK. SK
Thur. IS. ?????
Fri. IS. SK.
Mon. Both. IS

The very high standard of information presentation we have come to expect .......
What's going off ..... ??? Is Prince Charles about to become King or is King Rob. coming back ...... ???