Music backwards?

[MrGongGong]

Alternatively, why not aim the programme at the majority of Radio 3 listeners who are serious about their music, and are most likely to want to listen? Don't disagree for the sake of it.

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing

Why doesn't BBC R3 commission a composer (mais pas moi, s'il vous plaît) to write a piece of music backwards so that they could play it forwards on the programme?
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Like this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8QIaV9ilWc

I think the middle of this as well ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd3hvhnd7YU

Or there is the famous quartet by George Martin

[french frank]

I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing

But you do tend to introduce a somewhat dissenting attitude, almost as a knee-jerk reaction. People whose primary interest is classical music ('traditional' meaning!) want to listen to it seriously and not have fun and play games. Encouraging them to 'listen to it in different ways' is not what it's about. Such a shame that we are soooo unadventurous, but there you are.

As you seldom contribute to this discussion (which on the other thread has been a constant theme for years) you apparently don't understand a fairly general feeling expressed, not just here, but elsewhere.

Playing a piece of music backwards is a mind-numbingly crass idea, like deciding you're going to walk backwards all day - amusing for the children. If you want to experiment doing this at home with a Haydn Mass or Mahler Symphony, you are free to have a bit of fun. Meanwhile, I think I stated the main issues involved on Msg 11. However, they do call for a modicum of thought.

[jean]

[oddoneout]

I have donned my cranial protection here and am not going to peer further over the parapet than is absolutely necessary, but can I please humbly suggest that there are possibly more than a few R3 listeners (including me)who are not quite so exercised/ irritated/insulted by either Essential Classics in general and the brainteaser in particular? I wouldn't be sorry if said item was dropped, but it doesn't provoke me to switch off, and sometimes I've even managed to know the answer....I do wish that the naming ceremony could be dropped though. I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement in the EC format, but I'm not convinced that complete removal is the solution.
Look down your knowledgeable noses by all means but please remember we can't all be high brow musical encyclopedias, nor does everyone listening to R3 want the same thing of it. I don't like the Thursday afternoon 'gap' that is the opera matinee slot, and am likely not alone in that, but that's not a reason to say it shouldn't be there. Given the 24 hour R3 output and choice of ways to listen to it, is the EC irritation such a big deal?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

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[french frank]

Given the 24 hour R3 output and choice of ways to listen to it, is the EC irritation such a big deal?

It is a big deal because it is on in one of the key listening times for Radio 3 listeners (it was CD Masters in this slot, albeit a bit shorter - and very good listening figures it had too) and has always been a more popular slot than on other radio stations.

The audience for CD Masters, and for the programmes that were on before it which I regularly listened to, is now offered Essential Classicals which was Roger Wright's strategy for counteracting Classic FM's new John Suchet programme. If Radio 3 were genuinely completely different from Classic FM, it wouldn't have a 3-hour programme like this on every weekday. Telling people to switch off or 'there's always iPlayer' is simply setting those who like it, along with the quizzes, and guest spots, and music played bacwards, against those who don't. And favouring the ones who do.

My question was, why should this group take over the Radio 3 mornings and leave those who had expected something, I will say 'more to their taste' (so that I'm not accused of being elitist, looking down my nose, snobbish etc) with nothing at that time. Fair's fair, isn't it?

[french frank]

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Oh, stop playing games, ferney!

[MrGongGong]

But you do tend to introduce a somewhat dissenting attitude, almost as a knee-jerk reaction. People whose primary interest is classical music ('traditional' meaning!) want to listen to it seriously and not have fun and play games. Encouraging them to 'listen to it in different ways' is not what it's about. Such a shame that we are soooo unadventurous, but there you are.

I think that's YOU thinking there not what I said at all or even implied

Playing a piece of music backwards is a mind-numbingly crass idea, like deciding you're going to walk backwards all day - amusing for the children. .

Mozart and Bach are a bit crap aren't they ?

Never mind
as you were

[MrGongGong]

"Playing a piece of music backwards is a mind-numbingly crass idea, like deciding you're going to walk backwards all day - amusing for the children. "

Not for those who listen "seriously" to "serious" music

Do the Friends of R3 have a festive mounting block ?

[french frank]

A composer creating a piece of music which involves reversing his, her or another composer's theme as part of a new composition isn't really the same thing, is it?

[MrGongGong]

A composer creating a piece of music which involves reversing his, her or another composer's theme as part of a new composition isn't really the same thing, is it?

No
But it's only a game on a light hearted radio programme FFS

and it's very like the kind of stuff that saint David Munrow would have done on his programme don't you think?

[ahinton]

No
But it's only a game on a light hearted radio programme FFS

and it's very like the kind of stuff that saint David Munrow would have done on his programme don't you think?

...but for children, surely?...

Anyway, as long as this diversion doesn't expand into playing whole works backwards, we will be spared a Shostakovich Sixth Symphony that opens in riotous slapstick and ends in the profoundest gloom, which is not quite what the composer intended...

[MrGongGong]

...but for children, surely?...

Surely David is for life ?

Someone spent a lot of time doing this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIHFLrjzgbA

[Serial_Apologist]

...but for children, surely?...

Anyway, as long as this diversion doesn't expand into playing whole works backwards, we will be spared a Shostakovich Sixth Symphony that opens in riotous slapstick and ends in the profoundest gloom, which is not quite what the composer intended...

The Postlude to Hindemith's Ludus Tonalis would do nicely for the purposes of this game, seeing that it's an exact reversal of the Prelude.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

I really thought they had stopped doing these moronic antics during a supposedly serious programme. I even remarked recently about a perceived improvement in the morning broadcasts.

I've been giving Radio 3 another chance, since I've found myself scanning a considerable number of Annual Reports of my old school's Old Scholars' Association. It's a deadly boring occupation, so I've invested in Sennheiser R185 open-backed wireless headphones and listen to R3 as I toil through the reports. (I cover two reports in a day, if I'm lucky, and they date back to 1882.)