River of Music: 12 hrs Non-stop Music: Sunday 30 October

[ahinton]

Looking at the web page, I get an impression that this is more like ‘Come and join Rob and Sara, tell us your stories, and hear the music along the way’. I’d have thought a list of facts would have been far more effective (I think this has been suggested on the thread), if what was stated was the prime purpose of this experiment.

Sarah, actually - but never mind that; anything that might risk conveying an impression of "come and...tell us your stories" (and I'm not necessarily implying that the River blurb did so) with the music somehow being shoehorned into the rest of a programme as a kind of makeweight to complement such stories as far as possible would be more than enough to turn my stomach; for one thing, I don't want to tell Rob & Sarah - or any of R3's listeners - any personal stories, for another, I have no idea why Rob, Sarah or anyone who's tuned in would want waste their time listening to any and, for yet another, this kind of thing has nothing whatsoever to do with broadcast music of listeners' responses thereto; it's almost as though there's a perception somewhere that music cannot convey its own stories sufficiently well...

[gurnemanz]

I admit to being surprised at how negative the attitude is on this forum. People chip in with something positive about something and the response is often no more than a snipe. How about having a ''positive day’’ where for 24 hours you’re only allowed to say positive generous things?

Looking back at the start of the thread I am surprised that so many people thought it a good use of their time and intellectual effort to start giving vent to this negative attitude
without having heard it and a week and a half before transmission.

[ahinton]

Still not read the Dahlhaus then

Let's Carl the whole thing Orff.

[MrGongGong]

Let's Carl the whole thing Orff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz8iBau8Y7Q

[doversoul1]

Still not read the Dahlhaus then

I am keeping an innocent mind/brain

[ahinton]

I am keeping an innocent mind/brain

So am I. Not sure whose, though...

Many negative comments have been made here about many negative comments that have been made here. I was able only to listen to a few bits so am in no position to make comments negative or positive except that the few that I did hear made me wonder why pauses between tracks were not a little bit longer than were those that I heard.

[Beef Oven!]

Looking back at the start of the thread I am surprised that so many people thought it a good use of their time and intellectual effort to start giving vent to this negative attitude
without having heard it and a week and a half before transmission.

In my book, that’s prejudice, narrow-mindedness. And as I say, I’m surprised. I wouldn’t have expected such a mindset on a forum like this. My assumption about the forum's constituency is wrong.

[french frank]

But that playlist is largely pointless without CD numbers.

It depends whether it's the BBC's role to facilitate your purchase of commercial items. At one time, Late Junction had not only full details of CDs but they were hotlinked directly to websites where you could buy them. That struck me as too far down the road of commercialisation. The BBC is a broadcaster so, surely, its role is simply to provide an entertaining, interesting or intellectually stimulating 'soundtrack'? Record Review's raison d'être is to provide a critical overview, not primarily to tempt you to buy the records - even though it may do so. Music sequence programmes are almost entirely devoid of critical comment (in both senses of the word critical!).

As to negative comments: people are more inclined to notice the comments they disagree with more than those they agree with. That often explains why people see 'bias' everywhere …

PS As I mentioned, my 50:50 estimate excluded all comments made before the broadcast. But - another lesson recently learned - people don't tend to change their minds. I imagine those who were looking forward to it were broadly appreciative.

[Beef Oven!]

As to negative comments: people are more inclined to notice the comments they disagree with more than those they agree with. That often explains why people see 'bias' everywhere …

"Bias everywhere? It’s got little to do with bias, nothing wrong with people having an inclination or preference for one thing or another. Of course, prejudice can lead to bias, but that’s a different discussion.

I’m thinking more in terms of the negativity. An all-Prokofiev pc Prom, Sibelius 5,6 &7 in one show, inter-movement applause, River Of Music - all slated on here, all turned out just great. Why can’t we be more positive, or at least wait before consigning things to the dustbin? It just feels strange to have this sort of mindset in a forum like this. I wouldn’t have expected this forum to be like this. I expect more open-mindedness, curiosity and positivity.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

In fact looking at how much of it was prepped , I wonder what they did for twelve hours - to repeat myself, it wasn't really a live blog.

Well it was a Sunday.

[jean]

...inter-movement applause...slated on here...turned out just great....

Really?

[Beef Oven!]

Really?

Yes, it did. We didn’t applaud when it wasn’t wanted by the performers and live audience, almost without exception. Given the contentious nature of this item, an excellent outcome was achieved. It really isn’t an issue anymore. A great success, IMV. I’m glad you agreed with the rest of my post.

[Anastasius]

It depends whether it's the BBC's role to facilitate your purchase of commercial items. At one time, Late Junction had not only full details of CDs but they were hotlinked directly to websites where you could buy them. .....

Having a hotlink to a commercial website is, I agree, going too far down the commercialisation route although the current tie-in to Spotify is just as bad.

No, if I hear a piece of music that I might like to buy and specifically the actual performance, without the CD number it's impossible and the feeble excuse that Non-Essential Breakfast gave me when I asked why they didn't provide the CD number smacked of laziness and disregard for their listeners. Take the Mahler 9 extract conducted by Bernstein and the NY Phil. Looking on Presto Classical's website there are several candidates that match those criteria but equally probably also they might be several different performances.

[jean]

Yes, it did. We didn’t applaud when it wasn’t wanted by the performers and live audience, almost without exception.

Who are 'we', and when was this?

It really isn’t an issue anymore.

It certainly is, even if there's not much left to say about it!

I’m glad you agreed with the rest of my post.

I'm quite positive about some of the things you urge us to be positive about, though I'm not sure that 'positivity' is a virtue in and of itself.

What I have been most negative about on this thread has been Mr GG's negativity towards people who disagree with him.

[MrGongGong]

What I have been most negative about on this thread has been Mr GG's negativity towards people who disagree with him.

FFS

I couldn't give a toss about whether people "agree" or disagree with me
people can think what they like
and I really don't care whether you like the same things at all
I might be "negative" about people who insist on things always being the same, or banging on about how great it was "in the old days" ZZZZZZZZZZ

If you READ what I said, I never suggested that people should "agree" of "disagree" at all

Why do some folks see everything as some sort of stance?

You don't need to answer

Bye folks