River of Music: 12 hrs Non-stop Music: Sunday 30 October

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  • french frank
    Administrator/Moderator
    • Feb 2007
    • 30526

    Anything important missed, or distorted?

    These were views of the forum members who participated in the River of Music discussion:

    Overall, and regardless of the degree of (un)enthusiasm, people seemed to think it was an interesting idea and worth doing. While some were enthusiastic enough to suggest a regular weekly feature would be welcome, some simply rejected it as ‘background music’ or ‘musical wallpaper’. One or two said they hadn’t tuned in at all as the idea wasn’t appealing.

    Those who were happy with the programme as ‘music without words’ were of two sorts: there were those who were content to listen to it as background music and those who deliberately chose to treat it as an ‘Innocent Ear’ journey of unmediated music and welcomed the lack of extraneous information.

    A third group was quite put out that, given that there were no announcements, there were no advance playlists to consult either. In other words, the programme missed a happy medium somewhere between no on-air listener contributions and the ‘irrelevant chat’ of presenters (good) but no information at all about the music (bad).

    Very few people (I think no one on the forum) was keen on the online commentary, nor wanted to take up the invitation to contribute comments online. I don’t think anyone did more than take a look from time to time and they came away underwhelmed. There was a suggestion that if it offered a way to take all listener input off the regular live broadcasts that would be a very good thing.

    Even by consulting the blog from time to time, people were uncertain as to the significance of the sequence to the Radio 3 story and this was felt to detract from the success of the enterprise. They wanted something more than ‘music playing in the background’ and expected a clearer narrative to emerge, even without oral explanation. Some felt archive content from the last 70 years would have been appropriate.

    The online digital display didn’t synch particularly well, and as the pieces tended to be fairly short the ‘Now Playing’ display would often be showing the previous piece until nearly the end of the following piece. Consequently, it didn’t substitute for a playlist. I think those who would have welcomed playlists might have been the same ones who also wanted the gaps between the different pieces to be longer. On the other hand, the segue-effect was probably more appreciated by the music-without-words listeners.

    Specific criticisms aside, there was at least muted approval among a significant proportion of listeners. This is nertheless an improvement on the 'composer specials' where negative views usually outnumbered the positive.
    It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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    • Padraig
      Full Member
      • Feb 2013
      • 4251

      Originally posted by french frank View Post
      Specific criticisms aside, there was at least muted approval among a significant proportion of listeners.
      I bet you felt back at school doing your precis homework, f f. Full marks from here, and thanks for your efforts.

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      • doversoul1
        Ex Member
        • Dec 2010
        • 7132

        A very good summary. Thank you. Just one thing (unless you have deliberately left out. If that’s the case, I won’t argue)

        I still think it questionable for a public radio station to assume that all its listeners have continuous access to online information* when that information is part of the programme and not additional activities. Unless the information was published in the Radio Times prior to the broadcast.
        * reason for this includes health issues.
        Last edited by doversoul1; 03-11-16, 20:35.

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        • ardcarp
          Late member
          • Nov 2010
          • 11102

          I think the 'everything online' syndrome pervades our lives in almost all areas. I shudder when any sort of transaction begins, "Simply go online and..."
          Simply heck.

          Signed: Disgruntled of Bognor Regis.

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          • ferneyhoughgeliebte
            Gone fishin'
            • Sep 2011
            • 30163

            Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
            Unless the information was published in the Radio Times prior to the broadcast.
            Oh, no - please, No! I accept that there may be (?a tiny minority of?) listeners without internet access, but to condemn those to the miseries (and expense) of RT is just rubbing salt into the wound!
            [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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            • doversoul1
              Ex Member
              • Dec 2010
              • 7132

              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              Oh, no - please, No! I accept that there may be (?a tiny minority of?) listeners without internet access, but to condemn those to the miseries (and expense) of RT is just rubbing salt into the wound!
              Oh, sorry. The last time I looked at Radio Times was some 20 yeas ago when it was reasonably usable.

              I imagine quite a few listeners are not able to be online continuously, too often, or conveniently even if they are online. For example, they may have poor eyesight, stiff fingers or the radio and the computer are not in the same place etc., etc..

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              • Nick Armstrong
                Host
                • Nov 2010
                • 26575

                Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
                Oh, no - please, No! I accept that there may be (?a tiny minority of?) listeners without internet access, but to condemn those to the miseries (and expense) of RT is just rubbing salt into the wound!
                Such strong feelings!

                There's always a copy in the loo here!

                (Make what you will of that )
                "...the isle is full of noises,
                Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
                Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
                Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30526

                  Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                  A very good summary. Thank you. Just one thing (unless you have deliberately left out. If that’s the case, I won’t argue)
                  Far be it from me to express an opinion! My feeling was that if members of an online forum who, by definition, do have access to the online content weren't interested in accessing the content provided it made its own point. After all, these sequence programmes never have advance playlists, in which respect it was Breakfast for 12 hours (without its worst aspects).

                  As an aside: I had lunch with an 89-year-old housebound friend without a computer on Tuesday and interrogated him closely as to whether/what he had listened (to) on Sunday. He had listened to quite a lot of it, enjoyed the variety of music and, no, he wasn't concerned about the lack of information. So he was one of the first group that I described.

                  OTOH, what he always misses is the full-length works. He has the Radio Times, looks up what the Essential Classics work will be, and tunes in if he's interested in it. He doesn't listen to Breakfast (too bitty), nor to the rest of Essential Classics. So, ordinarily he would be a 'I'll listen if I'm interested, not if I don't, so I really like to know what will be played' type of listener.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Pianorak
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 3128

                    Originally posted by french frank View Post
                    I'll listen if I'm interested, not if I don't, so I really like to know what will be played
                    That's me too. Although no longer a RT subscriber I consult the online R3 Schedule every day.
                    My life, each morning when I dress, is four and twenty hours less. (J Richardson)

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                    • Zucchini
                      Guest
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 917

                      Originally posted by french frank View Post
                      Anything important missed, or distorted? These were views of the forum members who participated in the River of Music discussion: ...
                      Yes, you must be helpful, objective and state the truthful context:

                      "These were views of the [INSERT NUMBER] forum members who contributed [INSERT NUMBER OF MESSAGES] postings in the River of Music discussion: ..".

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30526

                        Originally posted by Zucchini View Post
                        Yes, you must be helpful, objective and state the truthful context:

                        "These were views of the [48] forum members who contributed [48] postings in the River of Music discussion: ..".
                        There may have been more postings of course, but I'd prefer to underestimate.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • doversoul1
                          Ex Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 7132

                          french frank post 398

                          Fair enough. I accept that (on the surface of the Forum at least )
                          Last edited by doversoul1; 03-11-16, 22:29. Reason: F/f

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                          • MrGongGong
                            Full Member
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 18357

                            Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                            Oh, sorry. The last time I looked at Radio Times was some 20 yeas ago when it was reasonably usable.

                            I imagine quite a few listeners are not able to be online continuously, too often, or conveniently even if they are online. For example, they may have poor eyesight, stiff fingers or the radio and the computer are not in the same place etc., etc..
                            The people I interact with who are the most avid users of the internet and almost continuously online are mostly those WITH disabilities particularly the blind performers i'm working with at the moment.....

                            just saying

                            (i'm not saying that EVERYONE is online all the time but i'm sure my comment will be misinterpreted as per usual)

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                            • doversoul1
                              Ex Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 7132

                              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                              The people I interact with who are the most avid users of the internet and almost continuously online are mostly those WITH disabilities particularly the blind performers i'm working with at the moment.....

                              just saying

                              (i'm not saying that EVERYONE is online all the time but i'm sure my comment will be misinterpreted as per usual)
                              How often do you interact with old people whose physical abilities are no long as they used to be?

                              I see no point in talking about the people who use online when the issue is about those who can’t.

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                              • MrGongGong
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 18357

                                Originally posted by doversoul1 View Post
                                How often do you interact with old people whose physical abilities are no long as they used to be?

                                I see no point in talking about the people who use online when the issue is about those who can’t.
                                The last bit

                                Frequently

                                Never mind

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