River of Music: 12 hrs Non-stop Music: Sunday 30 October

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  • kernelbogey
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    • Nov 2010
    • 5736

    Frances, I got to it via the R3 schedule page and links, as usual.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30250

      Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
      the link doesn't work for me - where is it actually based - I presume as per FF my security settings prevent access
      Otherwise you just scroll down the page.

      'Wallpaper' is what a large number of people want. If Radio 3 were to ignore that at all times it would halve its listening figures - and probably halve the amount of money it was allowed. We would be back to gramophone records ("No expense spared"). Ignoring all developments in the media/broadcasting and listener habits would be a far quicker way to get the station shut down. At least this way eople have the choice not to listen.

      As a concept, I think it's very imaginative. It's not an ordinary day's broadcasting - it's designed to incorporate the various kinds of music that the Third/Radio 3 has played over the 70 years (jazz, world, classical, contemporary) - not what was 'best' at the time I first started listening.

      The only 'gimmick' is the 70 pieces in each half, which limits the number of full length pieces
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • Beresford
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        • Apr 2012
        • 555

        Originally posted by ardcarp View Post
        Was it an extremely clever ruse on the part of R3 management to precede this experiment with the utterly incompetent, tongue-tied, stumbling, bumbling Tom McK ? It makes the absence of presentation totally welcome..
        You mean he sounds like a normal person?
        I do get the impression that R3 presenters have recently become slightly more free to say things about their personal tastes, which could sound unprofessional, but I think it is a breath of fresh air. They must have to present some music that they don't like.

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        • oddoneout
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          • Nov 2015
          • 9145

          Originally posted by Frances_iom View Post
          how do you locate the playlist ? eg for this morning - I followed Brynn's link but just got the usual bbc junk intro - no playlist - do I need javascript,, flash or what ?
          I've just had a similar problem, but via the R3 website. The Part 1 playlist(which I had looked at this morning) had gone and had to be accessed via the play it again sam widget, which meant a quick scramble for the shut-up button to avoid hearing the part1 soundtrack over the part 2 'live' on the radio. I would have appreciated a separate playlist, clearly signposted, rather than that faff. But then I cling to the now outmoded view that the website is there to provide information quickly and easily, so I appreciate that the fault is all mine.

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          • Maclintick
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            • Jan 2012
            • 1065

            Is this anything more than a day-long "Spot-the-Tune" ? Surely R3's USPs ( to adopt a dread marketing-type term) are that the programmes are carefully-crafted & presented by people who know what they're talking about ( I don't care whether they called "trusted guides" as long as they display the requisite knowledge e.g. Jon Swain & James Jolly on Sun morning, missed today) & that there's a thread of live music-making. To abandon both these principles seems perverse. It would have been a damn sight more interesting if the mostly ancient recordings were interspersed with some live offerings of contemporary performers dotted around the country. Let's face it, an uninterrupted stream of presentation-less recorded music is what you get on any number of internet channels....

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            • Beresford
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              • Apr 2012
              • 555

              Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
              ....

              To my mind, one of the things that art can do (and I include music) is to intrigue, perplex and baffle. People seem fine with this in other artforms but often not in music.
              I agree, and "People" includes many professional musicians (but I only know a few).
              I would love to know why - but maybe that's because I like being intrigued, perplexed, and baffled, sometimes.

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              • oddoneout
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                • Nov 2015
                • 9145

                Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                I think the whole thing would be so much better (for THIS day) if there was no playlist at all
                If people were then really inspired then they will have to use their ears and curiosity to find out what music was being played.
                I'm slightly puzzled as to what you mean by this. How would I go about finding out what the bit of music I heard sometime between 3 and 4 this afternoon was if there were no playlist at all. Sorry if I'm being obtuse here.

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                • teamsaint
                  Full Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 25195

                  Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                  It's definitely worth a go sometimes (SOMETIMES) ... I've just been on a very long journey and randomly turned on the radio to hear a massive orchestral piece with shades of Gamelan BUT not Britten, Mc Phee or anything I knew already. So having completely forgotten about this river thing listened to the end to find out what it was half thinking I might investigate but then it was something completely different. Which got me musing on the desire to own, classify and possess. So then I thought that it was perfectly fine on this occasion not to know for once.



                  Music is an 'acoustic phenomenon' (amongst other things) and it's fine to experience it as such.



                  Depends on what you mean by 'work'.
                  To my mind, one of the things that art can do (and I include music) is to intrigue, perplex and baffle. People seem fine with this in other artforms but often not in music.
                  Perhaps" people "are perplexed and baffled enough in their day to day lives ?!
                  And I'm not sure that your generalisation is any more true of music than ,say, literature.
                  Anyway, as Beresford suggests, those who like being preplexed by music will find what they want, the rest will have to wait for that state to happen to them. Or not.

                  Anyway,I heard about half an hour. It didnt intrigue,perplex,or baffle really. I wish it had.
                  Last edited by teamsaint; 30-10-16, 19:26.
                  I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

                  I am not a number, I am a free man.

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                  • Beef Oven!
                    Ex-member
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 18147

                    I want to get my knickers in a twist about today’s broadcasting, but I’m just no good at it.

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                    • visualnickmos
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                      • Nov 2010
                      • 3609

                      Originally posted by MrGongGong View Post
                      I think the whole thing would be so much better (for THIS day) if there was no playlist at all
                      If people were then really inspired then they will have to use their ears and curiosity to find out what music was being played.
                      It would also be a bit of a change from the urge to categorise, list and possess.
                      How exactly would that be possible if one has no point of reference?

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                      • Beef Oven!
                        Ex-member
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 18147

                        Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                        How exactly would that be possible if one has no point of reference?
                        The point of reference is the music 'you just heard’. The rest is down to the limits of your enthusiasm and tenacity. There’s a long track-record of people identifying bits of music from the flimsiest of leads.

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                        • MrGongGong
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                          • Nov 2010
                          • 18357

                          Originally posted by visualnickmos View Post
                          How exactly would that be possible if one has no point of reference?
                          Don't know
                          which is why it would be an interesting challenge
                          There could be unlabelled downloads (one idea) which would then have the positive effect of folks who were really interested communicating with others and asking questions etc

                          I'm not in charge of anything and don't even want to be
                          but there's much to be discovered listening and discussing rather than reading

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                          • kernelbogey
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                            • Nov 2010
                            • 5736

                            Others have made the comparison with visiting a gallery and needing the descriptive labels.

                            Following the lead of a friend, when recently visiting an art exhibition I experimented with just looking carefully at the pictures before reading the accompanying text - which inevitably dictates a certain 'view'. There is a certain freedom in doing this.

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                            • MrGongGong
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                              • Nov 2010
                              • 18357

                              Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                              I'm slightly puzzled as to what you mean by this. How would I go about finding out what the bit of music I heard sometime between 3 and 4 this afternoon was if there were no playlist at all. Sorry if I'm being obtuse here.
                              Why do you want/need to know?
                              Is one question to ask

                              How is the experience of hearing music changed by knowing who created it?
                              Is the experience diminished by not knowing?

                              and so on



                              Of course, if I (or RB, AH etc) had written it then the reason to know is so you can go and buy it

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                              • Alison
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                                • Nov 2010
                                • 6455

                                No Beethoven?

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