Do TTN presenters listen to the music?

[underthecountertenor]

....or do they just record the inserts between?

Of course I know that they do not broadcast the programme live in real time, but I assumed that they would at least have some appreciation of what they were announcing, even if they didn't necessarily listen to the whole thing.

But last night, having been woken by the heat (and by what appeared to be a woefully substandard performance of Striggio's Ecce Beatam Lucem by the BBC Singers in Canterbury Cathedral) I was still fitfully awake when Catriona Young both pre- and post-announced a Paraphrase of An der schönen blauen Donau by (and performed by) Rudolf Buchbinder. It appears described as such on the playlist at 03:49 in here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07tzfwg

Except that it quite plainly wasn't: it was a paraphrase or transcription of the overture to Die Fledermaus (or at least the waltz therefrom).

You would think that The Blue Danube was sufficiently famous that Young would have noticed that that was not it. My guess is that someone copied and pasted the wrong item from a Buchbinder concert programme and Young just read it out as 'link number x' or some such.

Sorry: boring anorakish musings, but they (and the heat and the fighting cats outside, not to be confused with the BBC Singers) kept me awake for too long in the early hours of this morning.

[french frank]

Must be the case, when one thinks about it.

[I mean that they don't - as you suggested]

[subcontrabass]

Blame should possibly go to the producers, but they are dependent on information supplied by the broadcasting companies who provide the recordings.

[french frank]

Blame should possibly go to the producers, but they are dependent on information supplied by the broadcasting companies who provide the recordings.

The BBC team put the whole programme together, so someone there might have noticed even if the information they'd been given was wrong.

[doversoul1]

I’m not saying that this is a case but did it not occurred to you that someone put on the wrong music? As we more or less know that the programme is pre-recorded, possibly the announcement and the music separately, there is nothing the presenter can do about it. A mistake like this shouldn’t happen but six hours, seven days is a lot, and the presenters on the programme are usually excellent. It isn’t ‘oh dear, here we go again’ like on some other programmes. I’d just overlook it.

[Dave2002]

Must be the case, when one thinks about it.

[I mean that they don't - as you suggested]

Indeed - when one thinks about it. Makes one wonder about some other programmes too - though I think the Saturday Record Review is often genuine enough - with live or near live comments. Perhaps some presenters are more keen on listening to the music, but if you were given a choice between simply reading out a few lines of text to be spliced in by someone else, or to actually have to to that in real time (even for a pre-recorded programme) which would you choose? Perhaps the first few times you'd do it the hard way, then you'd switch to the "lazy", but more efficient way. Which would be fine, as long as there isn't a muck up.

The days of "live" presenters working at all hours may well have gone, though there was that incident some years ago in the US when an overnight presenter fell ill, and as I recall the listeners noticed, and called the emergency services, and maybe saved his life.

[Old Grumpy]

The days of "live" presenters working at all hours may well have gone

If they did they might be the first R3 presenter to cross the £150,000 declaration threshold!

OG

[Serial_Apologist]

I’m not saying that this is a case but did it not occurred to you that someone put on the wrong music? As we more or less know that the programme is pre-recorded, possibly the announcement and the music separately, there is nothing the presenter can do about it. A mistake like this shouldn’t happen but six hours, seven days is a lot, and the presenters on the programme are usually excellent. It isn’t ‘oh dear, here we go again’ like on some other programmes. I’d just overlook it.

This has happened a few times of late on TTN, mind. I didn't note them at the time, but I'm sure I wasn't dreaming!

[Old Grumpy]

Sorry: boring anorakish musings, but they (and the heat and the fighting cats

I would have though that was a bonus in here! My family refer to the FoR3 Forum as my R3 anorak site.

OG

[Stanfordian]

....or do they just record the inserts between?

Of course I know that they do not broadcast the programme live in real time, but I assumed that they would at least have some appreciation of what they were announcing, even if they didn't necessarily listen to the whole thing.

But last night, having been woken by the heat (and by what appeared to be a woefully substandard performance of Striggio's Ecce Beatam Lucem by the BBC Singers in Canterbury Cathedral) I was still fitfully awake when Catriona Young both pre- and post-announced a Paraphrase of An der schönen blauen Donau by (and performed by) Rudolf Buchbinder. It appears described as such on the playlist at 03:49 in here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07tzfwg

Except that it quite plainly wasn't: it was a paraphrase or transcription of the overture to Die Fledermaus (or at least the waltz therefrom).

You would think that The Blue Danube was sufficiently famous that Young would have noticed that that was not it. My guess is that someone copied and pasted the wrong item from a Buchbinder concert programme and Young just read it out as 'link number x' or some such.

Sorry: boring anorakish musings, but they (and the heat and the fighting cats outside, not to be confused with the BBC Singers) kept me awake for too long in the early hours of this morning.

It may be recorded during the day with the exception being the news reader. I know a presenter well on Classic FM who did the night shift and he recorded it during the day. Maybe Radio 3 is the same.

[subcontrabass]

I’m not saying that this is a case but did it not occurred to you that someone put on the wrong music? As we more or less know that the programme is pre-recorded, possibly the announcement and the music separately, there is nothing the presenter can do about it. A mistake like this shouldn’t happen but six hours, seven days is a lot, and the presenters on the programme are usually excellent. It isn’t ‘oh dear, here we go again’ like on some other programmes. I’d just overlook it.

They are recorded separately and fed out via computer, with gaps between the music items for the different broadcasting organisations around Europe that take the feed to insert their own presentation. That is also why it is mostly in exact two-hour blocks, as not everyone takes the full six hours.

[french frank]

The programmes are produced in three 2-hour sections which can be mixed and matched. The playlists are available [SPOILER ALERT ] two months in advance. The BBC assembles and edits the recordings it's been sent so there aren't any CDs or tracks to mix up. If a country sent a recording and details which didn't tally, the producers should notice that when they put the programme together. Presenter, no.

As I understand the system.

[Dave2002]

I would have though that was a bonus in here! My family refer to the FoR3 Forum as my R3 anorak site.

OG

Anything I look at, and or contribute to may be referred to as "nerds"

[Dave2002]

The programmes are produced in three 2-hour sections which can be mixed and matched. The playlists are available [SPOILER ALERT ] two months in advance. The BBC assembles and edits the recordings it's been sent so there aren't any CDs or tracks to mix up. If a country sent a recording and details which didn't tally, the producers should notice that when they put the programme together. Presenter, no.

Of course TTN - also known as Notturno or variants in other countries, may also have announcements in other languages. The announcements have to be roughly the same length for each language. My understanding is that a BBC department puts things together, then it's distributed out to the other countries. It may be that the language inserts are put in later, by each country broadcaster. There are time shifts, and this affects the presentation order in some countries, because of the different time zones. Is it an EBU supported project, though the BBC does some of the assembly work? The source material mostly comes from broadcasters in the "radio union" - and while often recordings are similar to some commercial recordings, in almost all cases the material here comes from material held/generated by or for each station.

I used to listen to it in Sweden - with Swedish language inserts - though nowadays you can listen to many of the different language variants via the Internet.

[Old Grumpy]

They are recorded separately and fed out via computer, with gaps between the music items for the different broadcasting organisations around Europe that take the feed to insert their own presentation. That is also why it is mostly in exact two-hour blocks, as not everyone takes the full six hours.

Very interesting thread, I didn't know that...


... anoraks unite!!

OG