Late-evening pleasures on Radio 3

[LMcD]

[QUOTE=vinteuil;n1323699]... the fact that alternatives exist is a very poor argument against the challenge :

I'm sure you're right, but I'm just glad they're there, and it would be silly not to use them.
As it happens, I tuned in for the Radio 3 news summary and am now enjoying the first item on Classical Live, which is Franck's Piano Quintet. It's all a bit random, really, rather like life in general.

[Nick Armstrong]

... the fact that alternatives exist is a very poor response to the challenge :

"Radio 3 no longer provides the serious (I want to say, 'sometimes demanding') cultural fodder that it was originally set up to do, and which (in various weakening states) it was doing until (relatively?) recently."

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Well that depends upon whether one sees it as a challenge or a fait accompli…

[vinteuil]

As it happens, I tuned in for the Radio 3 news summary and am now enjoying the first item on Classical Live, which is Franck's Piano Quintet. It's all a bit random, really, rather like life in general.

... some might say that Radio 3 should not be "all a bit random, really"



And some of us, more severely, might wish that Radio 3 should be better than "life in general"

[vinteuil]

Well that depends upon whether one sees it as a challenge or a fait accompli…

... if I were to accept your (?) defeatist position, I might argue - why is public money (I know, but such moneys are fungible) being used to provide pap that is being well provided (I'm told) on commercial channels...

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[AuntDaisy]

... if I were to accept your (?) defeatist position, I might argue - why is public money (I know, but such moneys are fungible) being used to provide pap that is being well provided (I'm told) on commercial channels...

Possibly random. Jim Hacker's outrage at Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Puccini...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl0aEz34A4o

[vinteuil]

Possibly random. Jim Hacker's outrage at Mozart, Wagner, Verdi, Puccini...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl0aEz34A4o

... lovely, lovely.

Painful too. So much of my working life was in that particular battlefield....

[Nick Armstrong]

... if I were to accept your (?) defeatist position, I might argue - why is public money (I know, but such moneys are fungible) being used to provide pap that is being well provided (I'm told) on commercial channels...

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An excellent question.

[oddoneout]

[QUOTE=LMcD;n1323700]

... the fact that alternatives exist is a very poor argument against the challenge :

I'm sure you're right, but I'm just glad they're there, and it would be silly not to use them.
As it happens, I tuned in for the Radio 3 news summary and am now enjoying the first item on Classical Live, which is Franck's Piano Quintet. It's all a bit random, really, rather like life in general.

It is a good thing that alternatives exist, especially if a person can use them. It is not a good thing if the publicly funded radio station that should be providing a halfway decent offering to be included in the choices available, is not doing so, thus forcing the use of alternatives.

[french frank]

What nobody seems to address, and I'd challenge the R3 apologists to do so , is that R3's classical music provision offered so much more than the music, available widely on CDs, streaming services, even now and again in snatches on R3; but where is the analysis, the critical perspective, the educational content for intelligent, diversely informed, listeners who had advanced beyond primary school? If it's not on R3 in the first place it won't be on Sounds.

[LMcD]

Well that depends upon whether one sees it as a challenge or a fait accompli…

It's definitely the latter, I'm afraid, but I would say that I'm being realistic rather then defeatist. I don't approve of many of the recent changes, but I can't see them being reversed.

[Serial_Apologist]

It's definitely the latter, I'm afraid, but I would say that I'm being realistic rather then defeatist. I don't approve of many of the recent changes, but I can't see them being reversed.

It's much the same right across the mass media: the top-down- do-as-I-say editorial compliance with rich owner command structures that force obedience on the lower orders on pain of dismissal and/or redundancy. Toe the line or else. Without the TUC - (who preside over the NUJ and other such unions supposed to uphold freedom of the press inclusive of those working within it) - updating their constitutional sectorialism and extend bargaining remits beyond wages and conditions of work to content and right to equal reply, journalists and reporters will sooner or later sacrifice integrity to truth to expediency and just carry on knuckling under.

[eighthobstruction]

....I'm afraid I'm more interested by the Late-evening pleasures...."You had me at Late-evening pleasures" (especially with your little hyphen there "your little dash, it makes me want to join words together"....."I cannot wait for your Late-night pleasures, meet me at midnight"....

[Serial_Apologist]

....I'm afraid I'm more interested by the Late-evening pleasures...."You had me at Late-evening pleasures" (especially with your little hyphen there "your little dash, it makes me want to join words together"....."I cannot wait for your Late-night pleasures, meet me at midnight"....

Tune in in 20 minutes' time, eighth.

[smittims]

Quite right, ff. The old Radio 3 , like the Third,was never just music, but drama,poetry, discussons, talks on recent developments in science ((Fred Hoyle and his 'big bang') and so on. It's when we notice the disappearance of all those programmes we see how much R3 has changed.

[vinteuil]

Quite right, ff. The old Radio 3 , like the Third,was never just music, but drama,poetry, discussons, talks on recent developments in science ((Fred Hoyle and his 'big bang') and so on. It's when we notice the disappearance of all those programmes we see how much R3 has changed.

...not Hoyle's 'big bang' - he was a fervent opponent of the theory, and always promoted 'steady state'. He never accepted the big bang, even tho' all the evidence was in its favour way before his death in 2001