Radio 3 Unwind starts on the 4th of November

[vinteuil]

When it comes to getting to sleep, some people swear by the Shipping Forecast.

... and some at it.

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[french frank]

I have to say there have been many times lately, deep in the night, when I have taken this sedative and found it perfect for easing me to gentle sleep. There has been music, accompanied by the sound of waves, which is truly soothing. I can see nothing wrong with lullabies - and long, long ago I found that Mozart's flute and harp concerto played softly would ease my baby sons to sweet sleep.

Absolutely nothig wrong with it at all. But misleading to associate it with Radio 3 and classical music as such. Just commodification of art rather than art itself. As an individual, I expect Radio 3 to offer more than that. That's not what the creators originally intended it to do: it's the contemporary appropriation of classical music to help people sleep. One either considers that important or one doesn't.

[Pulcinella]

The disease is spreading.

This is from the preview of

Monty Don's British Gardens
BBC2, 8pm

in today's Times:

It is all as relaxing as anything you will see this month.

[LMcD]

The disease is spreading.

This is from the preview of

Monty Don's British Gardens
BBC2, 8pm

in today's Times:

It is all as relaxing as anything you will see this month.

I blame Frankie Goes To Hollywood.

[hmvman]

Absolutely nothig wrong with it at all. But misleading to associate it with Radio 3 and classical music as such. Just commodification of art rather than art itself. As an individual, I expect Radio 3 to offer more than that. That's not what the creators originally intended it to do: it's the contemporary appropriation of classical music to help people sleep. One either considers that important or one doesn't.

We certainly live in 'interesting' times when on the one hand the BBC and CFM are commodifying classical music as a relaxant, while on the other police forces are advising its weaponisation to deter criminals:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/classical-music-crime-st-johns-wood-b1203247.html

[oddoneout]

The disease is spreading.

This is from the preview of

Monty Don's British Gardens
BBC2, 8pm

in today's Times:

It is all as relaxing as anything you will see this month.

As a slight aside I have just had an email from a family member who is a volunteer at Inverewe gardens, which features in this first episode. Apparently the filming was delayed by nearly two months and when they did turn up the weather was against them and the plants not at their best so there is considerable interest to see to what extent TV magic will triumph in the end result!

[Pulcinella]

As a slight aside I have just had an email from a family member who is a volunteer at Inverewe gardens, which features in this first episode. Apparently the filming was delayed by nearly two months and when they did turn up the weather was against them and the plants not at their best so there is considerable interest to see to what extent TV magic will triumph in the end result!

You'll be anything but relaxed then, waiting to find out.

[oddoneout]

You'll be anything but relaxed then, waiting to find out.

Possibly not, but I won't avail myself of the invitation from R3Woo-Woo to 'unwind my mind'...

[Saint-Loup]

TTN in recent nights features a puff for the Unwind concept with someone praising "music that allows me to feel what I am feeling" or some such narcissism. I don't mind the so-called 'commodification of music', I still speak the language of 1970s Marxism enough to understand that music is always a commodity at some basic level. What turns me off this earnest well-meant concept is the notion that appreciation of music or the other arts starts with dear-little-me and my own precious feelings and wound-up mind. Rather than offering a window to the minds, thoughts emotions of OTHERS. Or offering a source and inspiration of feelings that you never had imagined. I don't go to the opera to find myself, or for therapy...

[oddoneout]

TTN in recent nights features a puff for the Unwind concept with someone praising "music that allows me to feel what I am feeling" or some such narcissism. I don't mind the so-called 'commodification of music', I still speak the language of 1970s Marxism enough to understand that music is always a commodity at some basic level. What turns me off this earnest well-meant concept is the notion that appreciation of music or the other arts starts with dear-little-me and my own precious feelings and wound-up mind. Rather than offering a window to the minds, thoughts emotions of OTHERS. Or offering a source and inspiration of feelings that you never had imagined. I don't go to the opera to find myself, or for therapy...

It was only a matter of time before TTN became infected with the virus that has taken over the daytime schedules. If I was being generous I would say that is the result of someone higher up the chain misunderstanding the TTN audience and assuming that because of its time slot those listening must be of the 'music as medicine' mindset. The idea that they are are in fact listening for reasons related to a simple desire to hear a selection of music that may be unfamiliar in part but which will always be played complete, and without unnecessary interruptions, will not be taken into account; neither will the fact that many may choose to listen during the day(not least due to the now inadequate offering in the daytime schedules) taking advantage of the wonders of Sounds that are so relentlessly promoted throughout the R3 output.
No, it is just seen as a large chunk of airspace that, in this instance, isn't doing its bit for BBC self-promotion.

[LMcD]

It was only a matter of time before TTN became infected with the virus that has taken over the daytime schedules. If I was being generous I would say that is the result of someone higher up the chain misunderstanding the TTN audience and assuming that because of its time slot those listening must be of the 'music as medicine' mindset. The idea that they are are in fact listening for reasons related to a simple desire to hear a selection of music that may be unfamiliar in part but which will always be played complete, and without unnecessary interruptions, will not be taken into account; neither will the fact that many may choose to listen during the day(not least due to the now inadequate offering in the daytime schedules) taking advantage of the wonders of Sounds that are so relentlessly promoted throughout the R3 output.
No, it is just seen as a large chunk of airspace that, in this instance, isn't doing its bit for BBC self-promotion.

Owing to my lamentable unfamiliarity with the Finnish language I can understand, at best, only the name of the composer or performers when listening to yle Klassinen and thus remain blissfully unaware of whether it promotes itself between works, but I suspect it doesn't, which is another reason to make it my first port of call in my listening day.

[hmvman]

Owing to my lamentable unfamiliarity with the Finnish language I can understand, at best, only the name of the composer or performers when listening to yle Klassinen and thus remain blissfully unaware of whether it promotes itself between works, but I suspect it doesn't, which is another reason to make it my first port of call in my listening day.

Same here. As far as I can tell the announcements between the music are simply a description of what's just been played - composer, work, performers - and what's going to be played next - composer, work, performers. Just occasionally there'll be a brief 'station ident' but that's it.

[oddoneout]

Owing to my lamentable unfamiliarity with the Finnish language I can understand, at best, only the name of the composer or performers when listening to yle Klassinen and thus remain blissfully unaware of whether it promotes itself between works, but I suspect it doesn't, which is another reason to make it my first port of call in my listening day.

I don't think it does - there doesn't seem enough verbiage(like you I am not familiar with the language) between the items to cover the music info as well as anything extra. BR-Klassik does do promotion, but as I don't understand most of it it doesn't irritate to the same degree as on R3.

[Roger Webb]

Same here. As far as I can tell the announcements between the music are simply a description of what's just been played - composer, work, performers - and what's going to be played next - composer, work, performers. Just occasionally there'll be a brief 'station ident' but that's it.

Listening to YLE right now...what a wonderful varied programme it is too. I pride my self on a fairly decent knowledge of the classical repertoire, by I can sometimes go a whole morning without recognising the name of a single composer....Nápravnik and Bonporti to come this morning!

The 'ident' you mention got a little tedious over Xmas as they kept repeating the Parsifal one, but infinately better than Radio 3 adverts. My Finnish is non existent too, but I'm sure they just give the composer, work and performers. Do you get a translation of the running order page?

[hmvman]

Listening to YLE right now...what a wonderful varied programme it is too. I pride my self on a fairly decent knowledge of the classical repertoire, by I can sometimes go a whole morning without recognising the name of a single composer....Nápravnik and Bonporti to come this morning!

The 'ident' you mention got a little tedious over Xmas as they kept repeating the Parsifal one, but infinately better than Radio 3 adverts. My Finnish is non existent too, but I'm sure they just give the composer, work and performers. Do you get a translation of the running order page?

I didn't listen much over the Xmas period so missed the Parsifal ident. I haven't found a translation of the page but I can usually determine what the music is and the names of the composers and performers. (Funny enough, though, if the cookies permission box comes up there is an English option on it!)

One other thing I meant to mention about Klassinen is that there is also a decent silence between the end of the music and the announcements and between the announcements and the start of the music.