Classical Live is changing its tune

[Serial_Apologist]

Let's hope Germany and Italy, where I believe the arts are still respected if not cherished, don't go the same way

Italy provides the only instance I can think of where the arts did not do so badly under fascism in the 1920s/30s as Germany, and Spain (for the most part); these days however fascism or the new quasi-fasicism represented by Trump and his mates in other countries has gone fully populist.

[smittims]

I noticed what I believe to be a couple of well-known 'howlers' on yesterday's programme. Yes, I know it looks like nit-picking, but at its worst incorrect information broadcast by the BBc is esentially 'fake news' to some extent.

We were told that Dvorak's ninth symphony incorporates 'African-American spirituals'. Cole Porter borrowed a melody from the second movement of the symphony and put it in 'Show Boat' where it became a song 'Going home',. This is often erroneously supposed to be an American tune.

The 'Paradise Garden' in Delius' opera is not 'a pub' as we were told twice, but a garden. There is an old inn there, named after the garden, but the lovers do not enter it. The scene is concerned with the garden and the river.

I realise the wrong versions sound more 'inclusive' or entertaining than the bare facts, but some still believe everything they hear on the BBC, so I think they should be more careful.

[Dave2002]

The 'Paradise Garden' in Delius' opera is not 'a pub' as we were told twice, but a garden. There is an old inn there, named after the garden, but the lovers do not enter it. The scene is concerned with the garden and the river.

I realise the wrong versions sound more 'inclusive' or entertaining than the bare facts, but some still believe everything they hear on the BBC, so I think they should be more careful.

I have heard the Paradise Garden = Pub version so many times I took it to be true. So it really isn't, then?

[LMcD]

I have heard the Paradise Garden = Pub version so many times I took it to be true. So it really isn't, then?

Perhaps it's the Garden of Eden to which none of us can ever return?

[vinteuil]

I have heard the Paradise Garden = Pub version so many times I took it to be true. So it really isn't, then?

... well, in the original story by Gottfried Keller, "Romeo und Julia auf dem Dorfe", the Paradise
Garden is a tavern, and the lovers dance on the platform on top of the building

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[smittims]

Yes, as I said, there is an old inn by the 'Paradise Garden ', but the significance of the place is when Sali kisses Vreli in the garden and she says

'Now I understand; this is the garden of paradise. Listen , you can hear the angels singing...'

The point I was trying to make (albeit perhaps laboriously) is that for a R3 presenter to introduce Delius' work by saying it's just a walk down to the pub, is to trivialise it,and to show ignorance of what the opera is about.'

[french frank]

it's just a walk down to the pub, is to trivialise it,and to show ignorance of what the opera is about.'

"Fancy a swift half, Eth?"
"Oh, Ro-o-o-o-o-n ...."

[LMcD]

"Fancy a swift half, Eth?"
"Oh, Ro-o-o-o-o-n ...."

Enter Jimmy Edwards: 'Ello, 'Ello, 'Ello' !

[smittims]

My father claimed to be the only person who could sing both verses of the theme song to Take it from Here. I didn't even know there was more than the first stanza, up to 'the show has begun...'.

[cria]

"Fancy a swift half, Eth?"
"Oh, Ro-o-o-o-o-n ...."

Or "Fancy a quick one. Eth?"
"Ooo ...Go on ..."

[LMcD]

Or "Fancy a quick one. Eth?"
"Ooo ...Go on ..."

That would certainly make her pa glum.