Classical Live is changing its tune

[Andrew Slater]

Whoops!
You're quite right of course, I meant (b).
Classical Live doesn't use any commercial recordings as far as I'm aware.
TTN features a number of performances from North America, Australia and South Korea, but I don't know whether these are provided via, or courtesy of, the EBU.
Like oddoneout, I stream via my PC, and Sounds sounds fine.
Annoyingly, Radio Times sometimes boldly promotes something as LIVE (white-on-black rectangle) when it isn't really, last week's' FNiMN being a case in point.

It's peppered with commercial recordings - e.g:

Last Monday - Ralph Vaughan Williams: The Future - from Dutton CDLX7411
Last Wednesday - Ralph Vaughan Williams: Fantasia for piano and orchestra - ditto
Last Thursday - Gerald Finzi: Elegy for Orchestra – "Fall of the Leaf" Op. 20 - from Halle CDHLL7512

[french frank]

TTN features a number of performances from North America, Australia and South Korea, but I don't know whether these are provided via, or courtesy of, the EBU.

I'd guess 'via the EBU' as membership/associate membership extends to countries outside Europe.

[Ein Heldenleben]

It's peppered with commercial recordings - e.g:

Last Monday - Ralph Vaughan Williams: The Future - from Dutton CDLX7411
Last Wednesday - Ralph Vaughan Williams: Fantasia for piano and orchestra - ditto
Last Thursday - Gerald Finzi: Elegy for Orchestra – "Fall of the Leaf" Op. 20 - from Halle CDHLL7512

So it’s not “live “ at all is it ? Bar the odd Wigmore Hall recital .

Hardly any element is live in the true sense of the word and to say it is - well that’s just deception in my view and in broadcast journalism where I worked for forty years you would never get away with it.
For some reason Radio 3 does. Unless they haven’t taken the trouble to get all this signed off. That would surprise me as in my experience they are pretty cautious.

Perhaps it’s allowed because unlike reporting from a news scene they think it doesn’t matter that much .

Trouble is I’m a purist and I think it does matter. It devalues the work of those who are working live to bring what’s happening to people live and not as a recorded, processed and edited construct.

[Andrew Slater]

So it’s not “live “ at all is it ? Bar the odd Wigmore Hall recital .

Hardly any element is live in the true sense of the word and to say it is - well that’s just deception in my view and in broadcast journalism where I worked for forty years you would never get away with it.
For some reason Radio 3 does. Unless they haven’t taken the trouble to get all this signed off. That would surprise me as in my experience they are pretty cautious.

Perhaps it’s allowed because unlike reporting from a news scene they think it doesn’t matter that much .

Trouble is I’m a purist and I think it does matter. It devalues the work of those who are working live to bring what’s happening to people live and not as a recorded, processed and edited construct.

I think they probably started from the ideal of playing "live" or "as live" recordings, but have come up against the reality of supply. Perhaps they should have chosen a less committing programme title!

[Ein Heldenleben]

I think they probably started from the ideal of playing "live" or "as live" recordings, but have come up against the reality of supply. Perhaps they should have chosen a less committing programme title!

The only live element are the announcements. Why get yourself in this editorial tangle when the previous title Afternoon Concert covered just about anything?

[Andrew Slater]

The only live element are the announcements. Why get yourself in this editorial tangle when the previous title Afternoon Concert covered just about anything?

Precisely! I suspect the marketeers have gained the upper hand.

Oh, and the trails say words to the effect that you won't hear what they play anywhere else - clearly that's false.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Precisely! I suspect the marketeers have gained the upper hand.

Oh, and the trails say words to the effect that you won't hear what they play anywhere else - clearly that's false.

It just gets worse . Get a grip guys . It’s not like you’re reporting from the Ukraine.

[LMcD]

It's peppered with commercial recordings - e.g:

Last Monday - Ralph Vaughan Williams: The Future - from Dutton CDLX7411
Last Wednesday - Ralph Vaughan Williams: Fantasia for piano and orchestra - ditto
Last Thursday - Gerald Finzi: Elegy for Orchestra – "Fall of the Leaf" Op. 20 - from Halle CDHLL7512

Happy to be corrected! So much for the constantly repeated assurance that we're going to be offered only 'exclusive live recordings/performances that you won't hear anywhere else'. I agree with EH that it DOES matter, for the reasons that he's given, and share his suspicion that they've been unable to source as many 'live' items as they would like.

[smittims]

Radio 3 used to broadcast many new commercially-released recordings, often of longer works, even complete operas. I well recall listening to Simon Rattle 's Cosi fanTutte on a Thursday afternoon c. 1998 . Now I think they're confined to short items in playlist programmes (especially of 'period' performers) or recordings where the BBC were involved financially, e.g . the Vaughan Williams items this week.

I feel that as part of the ongoing struggle (so it seems) to convince us that the BBC are still offering something unique and special, (and hence value for the TV licence) despite the progressive increase of competition since 1956, they've moved more towards their own recordings and their own featured artists such as the New Generation scheme. The (increasingly empty) boast about 'live' and 'exclusive' performances is part of this, though it's starting to sound like the 1939 newsreel assurances that the French air force is 'the largest inthe world ' and that the sun never sets on the British empire. The BBC is still there, tottering, like the Hapsburg Empire c. 1913, but I fear a long-delayed big crash is coming.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Happy to be corrected! So much for the constantly repeated assurance that we're going to be offered only 'exclusive live recordings/performances that you won't hear anywhere else'. I agree with EH that it DOES matter, for the reasons that he's given, and share his suspicion that they've been unable to source as many 'live' items as they would like.

Thanks for agreeing with me ! It was actually Andrew’s suspicion but , as it happens , I agree with him. The only thing maybe is that those three English pieces are unlikely to be played live much by European orchestras or indeed any orchestra . I wonder if there was some extraneous reasons for scheduling them.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Radio 3 used to broadcast many new commercially-released recordings, often of longer works, even complete operas. I well recall listening to Simon Rattle 's Cosi fanTutte on a Thursday afternoon c. 1998 . Now I think they're confined to short items in playlist programmes (especially of 'period' performers) or recordings where the BBC were involved financially, e.g . the Vaughan Williams items this week.

I feel that as part of the ongoing struggle (so it seems) to convince us that the BBC are still offering something unique and special, (and hence value for the TV licence) despite the progressive increase of competition since 1956, they've moved more towards their own recordings and their own featured artists such as the New Generation scheme. The (increasingly empty) boast about 'live' and 'exclusive' performances is part of this, though it's starting to sound like the 1939 newsreel assurances that the French air force is 'the largest inthe world ' and that the sun never sets on the British empire. The BBC is still there, tottering, like the Hapsburg Empire c. 1913, but I fear a long-delayed big crash is coming.

No it last as long as the Hapsburgs . One of the better Empires I always thought - the Hapsburgs I mean . I am not without financial interest in the former and have huge cultural interest in the latter. In my view culturally the Hapsburg - the greatest of the western ones. (Unless you’re into Greek ).

[LMcD]

No it last as long as the Hapsburgs . One of the better Empires I always thought - the Hapsburgs I mean . I am not without financial interest in the former and have huge cultural interest in the latter. In my view culturally the Hapsburg - the greatest of the western ones. (Unless you’re into Greek ).

Classical Live is now bringing us '....performances, many of which you will not have heard elsewhere'.

[french frank]

Classical Live is now bringing us '....performances, many of which you will not have heard elsewhere'.

LMcD - could you please develop the habit of indicating when you are introducing a note of levity into your posts and when it is mere reportage, please?

... performances, many of which you will not have heard often, in the same week, in many places other than here and on other radio stations throughout the UK and elsewhere ...

[AuntDaisy]

LMcD - could you please develop the habit of indicating when you are introducing a note of levity into your posts and when it is mere reportage, please?

... performances, many of which you will not have heard often, in the same week, in many places other than here and on other radio stations throughout the UK and elsewhere ...

Turned on briefly - abysmal* Alker & In the Hall of the Mountain King - OFF OFF OFF.

* Not in the deep sense.

[LMcD]

The words between quotation marks in post no.193 were uttered by Ms Alker immediately after the 1.00 p.m. news summary this afternoon.
She then announced that we were off to Norway, but failed to mention that when we joined Peer Gynt he was stranded in the Moroccan desert.