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  • Richard Tarleton

    Many thanks John. Lovely indeed.

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    • DracoM
      Host
      • Mar 2007
      • 12954

      At an Advent service tonight, in the gather afterwards, several commented on the Sacred River, BUT....then, totally unprompted, they almost to a man / woman / person set off on a real blistering of anything much on R3 before 7.30 p.m.- a strategy they said was a major change for them in the last few years.

      It had even driven one woman to say she had bought a iPad + ear pieces etc and discovered online classical globally, etc etc, and iPlayer, and it meant she rarely listened to R3 AT ALL, any more. She had not up to that point owned any such device!!

      Why, I asked them, and literally ALL those in the conversation - about 6 of us - said with one voice 'presenters.', which in turn precipitated a LONG discusison of different pains and woes, chiefest among which was .....guess?.................

      ......................KD. 100%:steam from all, nem con. And then to my huge surprise, they got stuck into T.Service and Ian Skelley.

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      • LMcD
        Full Member
        • Sep 2017
        • 8396

        Presenters .... I suggest the BBC get rid of Suzy Klein on Essential Classics and replace her with David Mellor. His Sunday evening 'show' on CFM is often a delightful and informative experience. He knows at least as much about music as she does - probably more - and he manages to educate his listeners without talking down to, or bullying, them. Next Sunday, we're promised, he'll play something from Hamish McCunn's opera 'Jeannie Dean', so he can hardly be accused of relying exclusively on popular favourites. I didn't realize (or had forgotten), incidentally, that Hamish McCunn conducted the first performance of 'Tristan' in English.

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        • french frank
          Administrator/Moderator
          • Feb 2007
          • 30205

          International Women's Day this week highlighted a big change in Sunday Morning:

          2017 (J Swain) 13 pieces in all, 7 by women composers:

          Ruth Crawford Seeger (2 mins)
          Cecilia McDowell (3 mins)
          Dobrinka Tabakova (5 mins)
          Barbara Strozzi (9 mins?)
          Dame Ethel Smyth (9 mins)
          Judith Weir (7 mins)
          Sofia Gubaidulina (30 mins?)

          2018 (S Walker) 23 works in all, 3 by women (one of them a folk/roots musician):

          Angela Meyer/Oka Vanga (3 mins)
          Hildegard of Bingen (3 mins)
          Roxanna Panufnik (7 mins)

          But several 'women performers' …

          Not an improvement?
          It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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          • Opinionated Knowall
            Full Member
            • Jan 2014
            • 60

            Originally posted by french frank View Post
            International Women's Day this week highlighted a big change in Sunday Morning:

            2017 (J Swain) 13 pieces in all, 7 by women composers:

            Ruth Crawford Seeger (2 mins)
            Cecilia McDowell (3 mins)
            Dobrinka Tabakova (5 mins)
            Barbara Strozzi (9 mins?)
            Dame Ethel Smyth (9 mins)
            Judith Weir (7 mins)
            Sofia Gubaidulina (30 mins?)

            2018 (S Walker) 23 works in all, 3 by women (one of them a folk/roots musician):

            Angela Meyer/Oka Vanga (3 mins)
            Hildegard of Bingen (3 mins)
            Roxanna Panufnik (7 mins)

            But several 'women performers' …

            Not an improvement?
            Or compare a similar undertaking on 30 September 1973 http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules...09-30#at-13.50

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            • french frank
              Administrator/Moderator
              • Feb 2007
              • 30205

              Originally posted by Opinionated Knowall View Post
              Or compare a similar undertaking on 30 September 1973 http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/schedules...09-30#at-13.50
              Indeed. Impressive (I have attempted amendments to Women as Comoosers and Elisabeth Sbderstrom. I think they have to be vetted.
              It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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              • Barbirollians
                Full Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 11661

                Sunday Morning does appear to have been " popularised ". Yesterday morning SW announced some music by Gluck and surprise surprise it was the Dance of the Blessed Spirits - it is a Classic FOM programme without the adverts.

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                • french frank
                  Administrator/Moderator
                  • Feb 2007
                  • 30205

                  Originally posted by Barbirollians View Post
                  Sunday Morning does appear to have been " popularised ". Yesterday morning SW announced some music by Gluck and surprise surprise it was the Dance of the Blessed Spirits - it is a Classic FOM programme without the adverts.
                  To say nothing of Billy Mayerl, Peggy Lee and Bernstein's Wonderful Town. Plus bandoneonist J Rowlands playing Piazzolla. It seems that if the performer is better known for classical music (Susan Tomes, Simon Rattle &c) it becomes classical music. Can't explain Peggy Lee.
                  It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                  • Barbirollians
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 11661

                    Why not call it Sarah Walker's Light Programme ?

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22110

                      Originally posted by LMcD View Post
                      Presenters .... I suggest the BBC get rid of Suzy Klein on Essential Classics and replace her with David Mellor. His Sunday evening 'show' on CFM is often a delightful and informative experience. He knows at least as much about music as she does - probably more - and he manages to educate his listeners without talking down to, or bullying, them. Next Sunday, we're promised, he'll play something from Hamish McCunn's opera 'Jeannie Dean', so he can hardly be accused of relying exclusively on popular favourites. I didn't realize (or had forgotten), incidentally, that Hamish McCunn conducted the first performance of 'Tristan' in English.
                      Maybe if David Mellor is the answer then the wrong question has been asked. It needs a change of format not presenter.

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                      • french frank
                        Administrator/Moderator
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 30205

                        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                        Maybe if David Mellor is the answer then the wrong question has been asked. It needs a change of format not presenter.
                        Quite agree. It's a mess of a programme, not fair on presenters.
                        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                        • Padraig
                          Full Member
                          • Feb 2013
                          • 4220

                          Originally posted by french frank View Post
                          Quite agree. It's a mess of a programme, not fair on presenters.
                          But you're going to hang them out to dry anyway, f f, and you are not alone.
                          Sarah Walker does a fine job of relating to and communicating with her listeners in the context of presenting a music programme.

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30205

                            Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                            But you're going to hang them out to dry anyway, f f,
                            Don't know what you're referring to.
                            Originally posted by Padraig View Post
                            Sarah Walker does a fine job of relating to and communicating with her listeners in the context of presenting a music programme.
                            Same point as Essential Classics - a pretty undistinguished playlist. There's more to classical music than that. No idea who chooses the music.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Barbirollians
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 11661

                              Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                              Maybe if David Mellor is the answer then the wrong question has been asked. It needs a change of format not presenter.

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                              • cloughie
                                Full Member
                                • Dec 2011
                                • 22110

                                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                                Don't know what you're referring to.

                                Same point as Essential Classics - a pretty undistinguished playlist. There's more to classical music than that.No idea who chooses the music
                                Whoever it is should be fired and replaced by a panel from the Forum!

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