The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[hmvman]

Well, as hmvman was specifically pointing out that my earlier claim had been disproven this morning, I thought it polite to concede the point.

You are quite right - waiting nearly a fortnight for a complete Haydn S4tet (or equivalent/similar repertoire) doesn't suggest a change of attitude. As the morning programme schedules I've been posting on the Today's the Day Thread richly prove, it was a very different matter, 30, 40, and 50 years ago, when such repertoire was standard fare. I've avoided 1999 on that Thread, but even a quarter of a century ago (Weds 26th Jan, 1994), the work being broadcast at 8:40 was the 20-minute Schumann Op88 Fantasiestucke. The day before, it had been Haydn's 29-minute Symphony #60; the day after, Mozart's 30-minute K467 Piano Concerto - it was a daily pleasure (and followed, and was followed by, other substantial works [as well as shorter, self-contained pieces]) not an occasional treat that had to be pointed out like an Armani suit in a charity shop.

My earlier post wasn't intended to be pointed, ferney. When I heard the quartet this morning I rather naughtily recalled your comment from a couple of weeks ago. You're absolutely right on the wider point; a complete quartet on the Breakfast programme is a rare treat rather than the norm.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

My earlier post wasn't intended to be pointed, ferney.

- I didn't take it as such; I thought you were absolutely right to point out - and commend - the inclusion of the work.

[underthecountertenor]

So did we never find out what was in the other hand?
Not that I care!

It is perhaps fortunate that we did not.

[Pulcinella]

It is perhaps fortunate that we did not.

Indeed!
Maybe they'll be asking for listener suggestions next?

[oddoneout]

I am afeared that the crashing into the buffers incident mentioned in my #7845 may be an officially sanctioned initiative. Towards the end of this morning's programme Manuel Cardoso Lamentations for Holy Thursday was run into at speed by Carlos Paredes' Rhapsodia(2 guitars). Then in the subsequent quality offering, EC, Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante had its last milliseconds knocked out by Samuel Barber's Summer Music.
I came late to Breakfast this morning and haven't been listening to all of EC so don't know if these were the only 2 such incidents - and EC has another hour to run in any case. I can think of several reasons 'they' might put forward if this is indeed policy rather than misguided experimentation by presenters, all of which would merely confirm the disconnect between what R3 could and should do, and what 'they' are foisting on the listeners.
I should I suppose reiterate here that I have no objection as such to music items running on one to another without voice interventions, so long as it is done intelligently, which involves among other things allowing one piece to finish properly before the next one starts. That concept sadly has fallen foul of the proscribing of the famous R3 silence. I used to enjoy the Homeward Bound slot, and the christmas programmes that ran for a couple of years and played seasonal music without introduction or announcement was a lovely experience; it was early home internet days so printed lists of the music played in the christmas sequences were available FOC on request - those were the days....

[Serial_Apologist]

I am afeared that the crashing into the buffers incident mentioned in my #7845 may be an officially sanctioned initiative. Towards the end of this morning's programme Manuel Cardoso Lamentations for Holy Thursday was run into at speed by Carlos Paredes' Rhapsodia(2 guitars). Then in the subsequent quality offering, EC, Mozart's Sinfonia Concertante had its last milliseconds knocked out by Samuel Barber's Summer Music.
I came late to Breakfast this morning and haven't been listening to all of EC so don't know if these were the only 2 such incidents - and EC has another hour to run in any case. I can think of several reasons 'they' might put forward if this is indeed policy rather than misguided experimentation by presenters, all of which would merely confirm the disconnect between what R3 could and should do, and what 'they' are foisting on the listeners.
I should I suppose reiterate here that I have no objection as such to music items running on one to another without voice interventions, so long as it is done intelligently, which involves among other things allowing one piece to finish properly before the next one starts. That concept sadly has fallen foul of the proscribing of the famous R3 silence. I used to enjoy the Homeward Bound slot, and the christmas programmes that ran for a couple of years and played seasonal music without introduction or announcement was a lovely experience; it was early home internet days so printed lists of the music played in the christmas sequences were available FOC on request - those were the days....

Seems like they must be training the presenters for duties as MCs then. The trick with being an MC is to coordinate the speed and rhyhms between the tracks to make sure they synchronize, otherwise the dancers will object that the music doesn't calibrate with the substances...

[LMcD]

0850: Sir John Gielgud reading Milton, followed by a number from 'Il Penseroso'...that's me nicely set up for the day

[oddoneout]

John Dowland kicked aside by the Mad Hatter's Tea Party....

LMcD - glad to hear it - but was it really that late in the programme?

[french frank]

followed by a number from 'Il Penseroso'...

What is 'a number' from Il Penseroso?

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

"Pensoroso" - "one"?

[LMcD]

What is 'a number' from Il Penseroso?

Sorry guv - I wasn't sure whether it was an aria or whatever. I guess only musicals (sniff ) and revues have 'numbers'.
Perhaps it was 0750? Anyway, I enjoyed it. If anybody were to ask me to define 'mellifluous' I would simply let them listen to Sir John.

[cloughie]

"Pensoroso" - "one"?

A very ambient answer.

[french frank]

Sorry guv - I wasn't sure whether it was an aria or whatever. I guess only musicals (sniff ) and revues have 'numbers'.
Perhaps it was 0750? Anyway, I enjoyed it. If anybody were to ask me to define 'mellifluous' I would simply let them listen to Sir John.

As you'd just mentioned Sir JG reading a bit of Milton, I was assuming that by Il Penseroso you were referring to the Milton poem. If you'd made it clear you meant an aria/scena or whatever from an opera I would have accepted the term 'Number'. (I thought we were just getting bleeding chunks from poems )

[vinteuil]

As you'd just mentioned Sir JG reading a bit of Milton, I was assuming that by Il Penseroso you were referring to the Milton poem. If you'd made it clear you meant an aria/scena or whatever from an opera I would have accepted the term 'Number'.

... a 'Pastoral Ode' rather than an Opera, m'lud :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Allegro,_il_Penseroso_ed_il_Moderato

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEwBzNudOcI

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[Eine Alpensinfonie]

"Pensoroso" - "one"?

Now, you've got me going. I can't get the Harry Potter "wingardium leviosa" spell out of my head.