The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[LMcD]

I got rather lost in the sub-clauses of your second sentence, but you seem to be assuming that only the finale was played. I'm not sure on what basis you make that assumption, but I can assure you that the whole sonata was played.

As for the references to 'crawling up to the highest octaves of enthusiasm' and 'squeaky gasps of astonishment', I heard the conversation in question and your description strikes me as both exaggerated and (coming the day after IWD) unfortunately gender-prejudiced.

I can confirm that the whole sonata was played. However, the playlist on the 3Breakfast home page says that only the last movement was played....

[underthecountertenor]

Clemency was last on at the end of January, and it may well be that as a very busy person she has been engaged on other projects during February. The fact that Petroc is the longest standing/permanent presenter, doesn't quite make it 'his show': it means the BBC is finding some difficulty finding women suitably qualified to act as a permanent counterpart (as CBH and SMP have been in the past).

I haven't done a count, but I had the very strong impression that Clemency's 'busyness' elsewhere meant that her appearances during 2017 were well below 50% of the whole (counting only weekdays). Again Petroc seemed to me to be the single 'permanent' presenter, with Clemency being just one of the stand-ins on the relatively rare occasions when he took a day or a week off (Ian and Georgia being the most prominent of the others in order of frequency).

Petroc is back next week, apparently, and the pattern in very recent weeks seems to have been two weeks on, one week off.

[underthecountertenor]

I can confirm that the whole sonata was played. However, the playlist on the 3Breakfast home page says that only the last movement was played....

Ah, that would explain the assumption. Fair enough. Thanks, LMcD.

[french frank]

At the same time that music becomes ubiquitous - and seemingly socially 'indispensable' - its intrinsic value is also downgraded; and Radio 3 goes along with that. Presenters are 'key' (more important than they were), guests brighten up music programmes explaining what music means to them, listeners chip in with their personal contributions, programme trails are to be inserted at regular intervals. And some music, truncated if possibly too long, must fit in between the important stuff.

[antongould]

I have begun to respect Georgia Mann quite a lot. I think she should have taken over from RC when he left. She's much better than ian Skelly.

...... Close to fighting talk that bbm ........

[teamsaint]

I got rather lost in the sub-clauses of your second sentence, but you seem to be assuming that only the finale was played. I'm not sure on what basis you make that assumption, but I can assure you that the whole sonata was played.

As for the references to 'crawling up to the highest octaves of enthusiasm' and 'squeaky gasps of astonishment', I heard the conversation in question and your description strikes me as both exaggerated and (coming the day after IWD) unfortunately gender-prejudiced.

Given Ferney’s relentless championing of women composers, and equality of opportunity in music, ( to name but two aspects of his liberal credentials) I’d suggest that you are seeing something that isn’t there.

Not sure what the proximity to IWD has to do with it either.

[french frank]

I think I did well. I listened to the first 40 minutes or so. But could stand no more.

Just for me (that's me, myself, my opinion based on my own personal tastes) an awful, awful programme which desecrates the music and can scarcely settle down to anything for more than five minutes before it goes off on to something else. And I didn't even hear the exchange with KD.

[Andrew Slater]

I think I did well. I listened to the first 40 minutes or so. But could stand no more.

And I didn't even hear the exchange with KD.

Just as well - they witter on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ..... and then the ensuing Piazzolla piece is faded out - and then yet more wittering! Sickening!

[LMcD]

I think I did well. I listened to the first 40 minutes or so. But could stand no more.

Just for me (that's me, myself, my opinion based on my own personal tastes) an awful, awful programme which desecrates the music and can scarcely settle down to anything for more than five minutes before it goes off on to something else. And I didn't even hear the exchange with KD.

Consider yourself lucky....Gosh, it was gushy!

[BBMmk2]

...... Close to fighting talk that bbm ........

Thanks. i don't think she's gushy, either. Nothing like KD!!

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

(I think I might have emitted audible gasps in those circumstances.)

Gasping for breath is now an essential requirement for R3 presenters. Even Ian Skelly has lost the ability to breath at the end of sentences, during semi-colons, etc.

... though the other day, I began to think there was a more serious issue - dangerous gases in the studio perhaps?

[antongould]

Interested to find where Alkers sits in the Gushing and Gasping charts ..... but as she has just played Jack Robson's wonderful Cheviot Hills sung by the Lord of Seaham Harbour she'll do for me Geordie ......

[french frank]

No one would deny (I imagine) that individual items are respectable - even very welcome. But the package, Lord Gould, the package:

Johann Strauss II Voices of Spring (at least they've stopped calling him Johann Sebastian Strauss)
JS Bach BWV 974 (one movement) played by your uncle
Fast forward to RVW Serenade to Music (oops, surely some mistake - it looks like the whole thing; still under 15 minutes)
A couple of Geordie songs, because we're in Gateshead
Fast backward to Telemann
Bizet, Rautavaara, Schubert D899/3, Waxman (ooh, Carmen Fantasy - nice), another bit of another Bach, Britten, another bit of folk followed by Wolfgang Amadeus, triumphantly topped by B Herrman's North by Northeast Northwest

I can't be the only person, surely, who can't cope with this, I think the phrase is pot pourri - with the emphasis on the pourri. I don't understand the point of listening to it.

[Huge apology for 'slagging off' the damn programme again)

Interested to find where Alkers sits in the Gushing and Gasping charts ..... but as she has just played Jack Robson's wonderful Cheviot Hills sung by the Lord of Seaham Harbour she'll do for me Geordie ......

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

A couple of Geordie songs, because we're in Gateshead

Er, quite.

And they've been ramming home Sagegateshead all morning so far.

Guess what most of the locals call it? You've got it: "The Sage".

[BBMmk2]

Er, quite.

And they've been ramming home Sagegateshead all morning so far.

Guess what most of the locals call it? You've got it: "The Sage".

Ridiculous amount I think too!