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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View PostTrue.
I should perhaps have said understandable not excusable: excusable in the sense that I could see how it happened.
(I enjoyed the extract very much too, not having heard that recording before, so maybe that put me in a good and forgiving mood. )[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostNo - I've not expressed myself very well. I'm at a disadvantage in that (like DaisyDog it appears) I didn't listen to the programme, but my suggestion is that calling the Stravinsky movement "Stravinsky's Capriccio" isn't a "slip" at all ("understandable" "excusable" "unforgivable" or whatever) any more than calling the Mozart example "Mozart's Rondo" would have been - given that Mozart wrote individual works with the title "Rondo", just as Igor did with "Capriccio" (and just as BWV 538 is also "Bach's Toccata & Fugue in D minor"). It might need clarification, but it isn't a "slip".
Interesting concept, though, to have a violin arrangement of the Capriccio. We'll be having BBM doing a brass band version next!
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View PostNot worth getting hung up about, and I can't remember what she actually said, but I would maintain that 'That was Hilary Hahn playing Stravinsky's Capriccio', when you might be expecting a pianist rather than a violinist, ideally needs a little more than 'clarification'.
Interesting concept, though, to have a violin arrangement of the Capriccio. We'll be having BBM doing a brass band version next!
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View PostBut perhaps I dropped off or misheard too.
It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View PostGood idea.
It would certainly have avoided the original 'that's impossible' comment about the opening chord if the notes had been given to other instruments instead!
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Let us be quite clear here , Pulcinella does have a point or, at the least, a pointette:
GM-S (on Stravinsky) announces 'A Capriccio, from his violin concerto in D'
Back announcement: 'Hilary Hahn was the violinist in the 4th movement of Stravinsky's Capriccio'
The aficionados who listen to Breakfast will be more than aware, of course, that the Capriccio for piano and orchestra has only three movements, so that their confusion will last no more than a moment; but the back announcement should indeed have been reshuffled to be:
'Hilary Hahn was the violinist in the Capriccio, the 4th movement of Stravinsky's violin concerto in D. For violin and orchestra.'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostAha! That's not merely a "slip" - that's just plain darned wrong!It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostBut slips are by definition 'wrong', aren't they - insofar as they mean 'mistakes'?[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostOh, yes - but there's a difference in degree between being "wrong" and being "just plain darned wrong". "The Eroica Symphony is by Neethoven" is a "slip" - "The Eroica Symphony is by Debussy" is "just plain darned wrong"!
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And St Ian of Skelly is himself not immune from being just plain darned wrong; during yesterday's Lunchtime concert broadcast he referred to Lachenmann as being "associated with Musique concrete" - which is rather akin to describing the late Tony Warren as a writer of operas.[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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