The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[underthecountertenor]

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that she mispronounced Crisantemi, putting a heavy stress on the second syllable.

[cloughie]

(As for Leonard Cohen, my view of him is that you really had to Be There (I was Before There and thought Suzanne the dreariest song ever written. By anyone. Ever)

For an alternative opinion - Suzanne is a beautiful song either in LC's original version or in the even more beautiful interpretation by Judy Collins.

[french frank]

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that she mispronounced Crisantemi, putting a heavy stress on the second syllable.

As mentioned in #6807! But you have to admit that creezant-TE-mi is another of those counterintuitive stresses Like TÁR-rega.

[Quarky]

For an alternative opinion - Suzanne is a beautiful song either in LC's original version or in the even more beautiful interpretation by Judy Collins.

For a further alternative opinion, I have always found the Breakfast "mix" of wildly different types of (classical) music juxtaposed together, uncomfortable and irritable at times, particularly a quiet solo instrument followed by a loud brassy orchestral piece. Today we had Strozzi / Sibelius and Byrd sandwiched between two jazzy numbers. But that is the Breakfast formula and I guess one has to keep on one's toes.

But my conclusion is that given there are wildly different types of music under the Classical banner. the logic of confining Breakfast to "Classical" doesn't hold much water. No objection to a Late Junction version of Breakfast on my part.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

Even worse than Leonard Cohen, EA's choice of folksy MoR music is hardly what I expect to wake up to on Sunday morning. Whatever happened to classical music?

Eh?

[cloughie]

For a further alternative opinion, I have always found the Breakfast "mix" of wildly different types of (classical) music juxtaposed together, uncomfortable and irritable at times, particularly a quiet solo instrument followed by a loud brassy orchestral piece.

....and then a warbling operatic soprano with an overdose of vibrato and the off switch is clicked.

[french frank]

Eh?

Elizabeth Alker's choice?

[french frank]

For a further alternative opinion, I have always found the Breakfast "mix" of wildly different types of (classical) music juxtaposed together, uncomfortable and irritable at times, particularly a quiet solo instrument followed by a loud brassy orchestral piece. Today we had Strozzi / Sibelius and Byrd sandwiched between two jazzy numbers. But that is the Breakfast formula and I guess one has to keep on one's toes.

But my conclusion is that given there are wildly different types of music under the Classical banner. the logic of confining Breakfast to "Classical" doesn't hold much water. No objection to a Late Junction version of Breakfast on my part.

For me, I don't understand what such a programme is for, especially at that time in the morning. Do people just want some music going on in the background, hiphopping around, as it were, all change every six minutes, and they're not too bothered about what comes up next? I seem to be part of the vast minority that prefers no radio at all to that. Especially when it's all punctuated with invitations to tweet in suggestions as to what to play next, who should get a blue plaque, what tomorrow's lunchtime concert will be …

[cloughie]

For me, I don't understand what such a programme is for, especially at that time in the morning. Do people just want some music going on in the background, hiphopping around, as it were, all change every six minutes, and they're not too bothered about what comes up next? I seem to be part of the vast minority that prefers no radio at all to that. Especially when it's all punctuated with invitations to tweet in suggestions as to what to play next, who should get a blue plaque, what tomorrow's lunchtime concert will be …

ff I think you have put your finger on why I rarely listed to Radio 3 Breakfast. I usually now listen to Radio Cornwall or watch BBC1 Breakfast.

[oddoneout]

For me, I don't understand what such a programme is for, especially at that time in the morning. Do people just want some music going on in the background, hiphopping around, as it were, all change every six minutes, and they're not too bothered about what comes up next? I seem to be part of the vast minority that prefers no radio at all to that. Especially when it's all punctuated with invitations to tweet in suggestions as to what to play next, who should get a blue plaque, what tomorrow's lunchtime concert will be …

I get irritated by the wash of litter - tweets, repetitive trailers, ill-judged chat, etc - and fed up with less than intelligent music choices, but, I also at that time in the morning do appreciate the shorter offerings. It means that I don't miss too much if I'm out of the room nor do I get sidetracked by a long piece and end up running late. I have heard things that are new or unfamiliar or that I wouldn't otherwise come across. As health issues make my mornings increasingly difficult the format is a useful distraction. Having said that I can see why many consider it unsatisfactory and a waste of broadcasting space, and I would be happy to see it ditch the aforementioned litter to become a shorter, more thought-through, offering.

[Eine Alpensinfonie]

ff I think you have put your finger on why I rarely listed to Radio 3 Breakfast. I usually now listen to Radio Cornwall or watch BBC1 Breakfast.

I don't know about Radio Cornwall, but BBC1 Breakfast is surely far worse than anything R3 Breakfast can offer. What, with all those fake smiles from the weather reporters, the twin presenters unable to say anything without looking at one another with a simper, and as for the mostly shallow guests..?

For all its mega faults, R3 Breakfast is better than that, though not nearly good enough.

[ferneyhoughgeliebte]

I'm just very grateful that I no longer have to get up at that horrendous time of the day.

[underthecountertenor]

As mentioned in #6807! But you have to admit that creezant-TE-mi is another of those counterintuitive stresses Like TÁR-rega.

Sorry, ff - I somehow overlooked that bit of your comment!

I'm sure that most English speakers would go for the stress on the second syllable. My knowledge that it goes on the third is, I'm sure, thanks to an immaculate R3 presenter of yesteryear. As ever, though, what bugs me is CBH's failure to check.

[cloughie]

I don't know about Radio Cornwall, but BBC1 Breakfast is surely far worse than anything R3 Breakfast can offer. What, with all those fake smiles from the weather reporters, the twin presenters unable to say anything without looking at one another with a simper, and as for the mostly shallow guests..?

For all its mega faults, R3 Breakfast is better than that, though not nearly good enough.

Sometimes I don't need deep!

[french frank]

As ever, though, what bugs me is CBH's failure to check.

The point on that seems to be, judging from R3's management spokesman to Richard T, that non linguists DO think that 'intuition' is enough (based on English pronunciation, naturally). CBH is clearly no linguist - not even knowing French which back in the day was every grammar school child's 'second language' .

To be 'well-educated' as CBH obviously is, yet know no languages (thought: does she have fluent Czech or Polish? - well, knowledge of the commonest European languages - her pronunciation of Aranjuez was interesting) seems the sign of our retreat into insularity. Our best friends are those who speak English, so give us no grief whatsoever when we want to communicate).

Rant over: I am a linguist after all (ergo, why isn't everyone else? )

Afterthought to utct: yes, my Italian doesn't stretch to knowing the names of all the garden flowers: I would have heard of Crisantemi on R3 - in fact, that's why I bought the record. Not the recording I'd heard, but the record shop reommended the one they had in stock