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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by antongould View PostThe Squire IMVVHO deserves a holiday ..... BUT seemed to press the disconnect button and didn't know which way the Derry train went ......
Was it the 'I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue' radio show which came up with the origins of the 'London Derriere'?
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Originally posted by Caliban View PostCripes it's all a bit cheery cheery Irish Irish today, isn't it...
If so, in my (as Ld Gould would say) VVVHO, that's a rubbish show and Radio 3 should do something better.
But a programme coming from Derry (why? but that's another issue) which plays a variety of Irish related pieces of music, okay, including some reels and jigs , does have a point. It's the connectedness that gives the varied music its raison d'être. For me. That said, I didn't listen as I don't listen to Breakfast: I like to think of myself as more of an ideas personIt isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View Post....... Is it to start people off on their journey through the day with some nice sounds wafting through the air as they get dressed, make their toast and coffee, glance through their post &c.?
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Originally posted by antongould View PostYes I think it is and IMVVHO that is not a bad objective ..... but we have been here before ..... and I don't want to exasperate you away .....
My point is that I think Radio 3 should offer something more than that musically and never be mistaken for 'just a radio station' which fits various people's lifestyles. The Irish programme had a point, musically, with a few things like Joan Trimble, Hamilton Harty, Havelock Nelson with Pappano/DiDonato (to say nothing of Bax and Moeran) that we hear less frequently. And, blimey, it's still probably the least demanding programme on R3 … Really, only 16 pieces this morning? The highest I counted back in the SMP days was 29!
[Thinks: But that was probably when it was 3hrs long - but 16 in 90 minutes is a lot less]Last edited by french frank; 02-09-16, 11:35.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostCoincidentally, I might have used the opportunity last week (but didn't) to remark: If you have a breakfast show that consists of 4 minutes of Elgar (Chanson de Matin, say), 8 minutes of Bach before 8, or 7, 3 minutes of Percy Grainger and on and on and on: I don't understand what the programme is FOR. Is it to start people off on their journey through the day with some nice sounds wafting through the air as they get dressed, make their toast and coffee, glance through their post &c.?
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But, pursuing the point doggedly, as with a bone: I don't really feel the question is whether a programme 'suits' someone, nor whether it 'suits' a whole lot of people and they all enjoy it. That would be catering for a 'popular majority'. So bring on The Archers or Friday Night is Music Night.
The point - for me - is about putting forward reasons for why a programme, or presenter style, might be considered 'right' for Radio 3 and why another might be considered 'wrong'. That issue isn't satisfied by individuals saying they 'enjoy' X or 'like' Y. No radio station should set out to please an individual (and doesn't, as far as I know), but neither has Radio 3 any need to try to please a broad audience either.
It should define what it's about and then the matter of what it does and how it does it becomes clear. Listeners texting in to suggest what goes in the Music Box today? Or 'What's the recipe today, Jim?'It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by DaisyDog View PostOh no, that 'London Derriere' reference is a much older joke. I once had an LP (remember those?) with that title, and that was over 50 years ago. Spike Milligan used that joke so it is possibly his. Sounds like him.
And yup, I remember LPs - still got lots and still play them - but music rather than spoken word.
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Originally posted by oddoneout View PostThe obvious pun aspect of the well known tune will have been around for yonks, but in the context of the radio show it was the culmination of one of the short story type rounds they had. Another one concerned 'The Soiree with the binge on top'[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by french frank View PostI don't understand what the programme is FOR.
Particularly during the Proms season (I have only started to tune in post referendum instead of listening to Today on R4, and even then only occasionally and quite recently), the premise seems to be to provide some sort of link to something happening later on in the day, so we get a piece featuring a performer who is going to appear later, or something by a composer whose work is being performed later. It might give the progamme planners a bit of a challenge in coming up with the playlist, but for me it has very little 'coherence' as a sequence of musical snippets. Perhaps I'm expecting too much.
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Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post[...] for me it has very little 'coherence' as a sequence of musical snippets. Perhaps I'm expecting too much.
Yet is is a triumph, and in my VVHO the best thing on R3. It is the spontaneity of the performances which give the programme a raison d'etre; and the very restricted, almost (but not quite) self-effacing nature of the continuity announcements that give the music its rightful prominence.
I've said it before, and believe it worth repeating, that this would be my model for a distinctive early morning programme - albeit, just maybe, admitting commerical CD recordings .Last edited by kernelbogey; 03-09-16, 18:00.
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Originally posted by kernelbogey View PostThrough the Night has no 'coherence' that I'm aware of. It frequently starts with most of a concert, or a complete opera, after which it progresses to a recondite sequence of chamber, solo, vocal and orchestral works whose only connection is that they are recordings of live performance from all over Europe (and elsewhere, e.g. Canada) and not infrequently of historical importance.
Breakfast has often had more than 22 pieces over 150 minutes - approx 9 an hour. Before you've settled down to a piece you're on to something completely different. But pieces are getting longer and the 'variety show' feel is lessening. I wouldn't expect it to be a continuation of TTN in style (not that I'd grumble!).It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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