Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie
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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostStill can't see the point of national anthems, meself; smacks too much of the I'm English/Welsh/Scottish/Eritrean/whatever so I'm superior to you syndrome...I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!
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Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View Postah: in which case I can't see why you didn't react enthusiastically to the number I proposed in #6151
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostJe ne comprends pas; this was indeed the very reason that I responded unenthusiatically to such an idea, on the grounds that there's often a risk that national anthems can be - or at least be perceived as - divisive!I keep hitting the Escape key, but I'm still here!
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Originally posted by LeMartinPecheur View PostI may of course be wrong, but isn't the whole point of that deliberately OTT F&S number to totally take the p*** out of facile, stupid nationalism and xenophobic stereotypes??Last edited by ahinton; 17-01-16, 17:32.
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostJerusalem - you must be joking - you want to hijack it from the WI?
You really want to build Jerusalem? You like the mess of the Middle East?
Great tune - but the words!
All the satanic mills that haven't been gentrified into apartments have been demolished by Blaster Bates or Fred Dibnah.
'I vow to thee my country' is the one - otherwise write a new one.
Alternatively you could big up the N/S divide with 'Hills of the North rejoice'
I can only imagine that making the arrangements for a loved one's funeral is so traumatic that the person making the choices is in no state to think lucidly, but I would have thought that the funeral director should offer guidance in that respect.
Having said that, I did have to play some mighty funny stuff on occasion.Money can't buy you happiness............but it does bring you a more pleasant form of misery - Spike Milligan
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Originally posted by alycidon View PostSome years ago I was organist at Inverness crematorium and was amazed at the number of occasions that Jerusalem was requested to be sung. It just seemed strange that Scots should want to sing about England's green and pleasant land.
I can only imagine that making the arrangements for a loved one's funeral is so traumatic that the person making the choices is in no state to think lucidly, but I would have thought that the funeral director should offer guidance in that respect.
Having said that, I did have to play some mighty funny stuff on occasion.
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Originally posted by cloughie View PostMy only question is it fitness for purpose as an English National Anthem. Nothing wrong with the song and I have sung along with it at weddings, funerals and informally along with male voice choir members accompanying WI members.
The fact that people here believe that 'Jerusalem' has something to do with a Middle Eastern city by that name indicates that they don't understand the reference. Others who also don't know the significance wouldn't even question it, I submit.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View PostSo, if there is to be such an Anthem, (I'm more of an Internationale chap, messel'n) the words of Jerusalem are much better than most, and the tune isn't bad, either (but preferably not in the Elgar orchestration, where the Satanic Mills of the orchestra drown out the voices of the people singing - just a piano; or even Billy Bragg's arrangement/re-setting).
I remember accompanying Jerusalem on the piano in a school assembly in the 1970s. The other teachers were almost falling over themselves with mirth, and afterwards they said it sounded as though I was playing a piano concerto. (I think the previous person who accompanied it had missed out the introduction.)
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostAt least it's in 4/4 time, so Beyoncé and Kiri te Kanawa wouldn't have to change the rhythm (as in The Star Spangled Banner and The World in Union).
I remember accompanying Jerusalem on the piano in a school assembly in the 1970s. The other teachers were almost falling over themselves with mirth, and afterwards they said it sounded as though I was playing a piano concerto. (I think the previous person who accompanied it had missed out the introduction.)[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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Originally posted by ardcarp View PostBy co-incidence, David Mellor played it about an hour ago on....... ClassicFM.
Has anyone mentioned that it's just a flippin' good tune and a good sing? I'd have it at my funeral if I could be sure of joining in.
Yes it is a cracking good tune and very singable!
And ff whatever the context of the original, Jerusalem is a Middle Eastern City, which has not always had good press over recent years.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostTHIS IS SO EMBARASSING.
Please ignore everything I said in my previous post. I am a complete imbecile. How can I criticise Beyoncé for what I do myself?
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]
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The Squire played Holst, George Lloyd and Lennox Berkeley this morning - although the latter was, perhaps, a little spot of self publicity as he and Lennox are on The Essay this evening.
I don't know if anyone has listened to the series so far - I have quite enjoyed it. However last night George Enescu bowed out quite quickly to make way for the How CBH Is Saving The World Show .....
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