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  • cloughie
    Full Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 22110

    Originally posted by antongould View Post
    but you said Hartlepool would get promoted - what do you know about England?
    Did I say when?
    England is that the land mass east of the Tamar?

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    • ferneyhoughgeliebte
      Gone fishin'
      • Sep 2011
      • 30163

      Originally posted by cloughie View Post
      see #6158
      I had - I thought it was a spoof! Were these meant to be serious objections???!!!
      [FONT=Comic Sans MS][I][B]Numquam Satis![/B][/I][/FONT]

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      • Stanfordian
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        • Dec 2010
        • 9308

        Originally posted by cloughie View Post
        Jerusalem - you must be joking - you want to hijack it from the WI?
        You really want to build Jerusalem? You like the mess of the Middle East?
        Great tune - but the words!
        All the satanic mills that haven't been gentrified into apartments have been demolished by Blaster Bates or Fred Dibnah.
        'I vow to thee my country' is the one - otherwise write a new one.
        Alternatively you could big up the N/S divide with 'Hills of the North rejoice'
        Hiya Cloughie,

        I can fully understand that an English team would want to hear a more uplifting and exhuberant anthem than the dirge-like 'God Save the Queen.' I agree with you that there is no way in this world an English football crowd would sing Jerusalem but I could visualise a Rugby Union crowd singing it at an International match; although I doubt they will. However, I can imagine an English crowd singing something like 'Three Lions' (on my shirt... footballs coming home).

        I always feel that is incongruous to teams to go out and do battle, sweat blood, putting their lives on the line (figuratively speaking) whilst holding the hands of young children. Decades ago when I played a team might have a mascot now its almost a class of junior schoool children.

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        • Anna

          I don't think a lot of people would be happy with any of the suggestions because they all mention Jesus or God so are hardly inclusive in a multi-cultural country.

          Jerusalem has 'the Holy Lamb of God' and 'did His Countenance Divine' in the lyrics
          I Vow to Thee's second verse is about Heaven (a Christian one obviously)
          Land of Hope is all about God

          Obviously it needs a new composition entirely (which unfortunately means it'll turn out to be a dirge rather like Flower of Scotland)

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          • cloughie
            Full Member
            • Dec 2011
            • 22110

            Originally posted by Anna View Post
            I don't think a lot of people would be happy with any of the suggestions because they all mention Jesus or God so are hardly inclusive in a multi-cultural country.

            Jerusalem has 'the Holy Lamb of God' and 'did His Countenance Divine' in the lyrics
            I Vow to Thee's second verse is about Heaven (a Christian one obviously)
            Land of Hope is all about God

            Obviously it needs a new composition entirely (which unfortunately means it'll turn out to be a dirge rather like Flower of Scotland)
            I think you're right Anna, but it doesn't not have to be a dirge - lively can be done eg Trelawny, Hymns and Arias - not suggesting the tunes are borrowed but the spirit and tempo.

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            • cloughie
              Full Member
              • Dec 2011
              • 22110

              Originally posted by ferneyhoughgeliebte View Post
              I had - I thought it was a spoof! Were these meant to be serious objections???!!!
              Some of it was serious but the Hills bit was a wind up. Jerusalem has been adopted by the WI and should stay with them. As I said in my response to Anna a newie is the answer. Oh and off thread, this one anyway - the AA D is rightly yours you may have more time than I at the moment to service it.

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              • cloughie
                Full Member
                • Dec 2011
                • 22110

                Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                Hiya Cloughie,

                I can fully understand that an English team would want to hear a more uplifting and exhuberant anthem than the dirge-like 'God Save the Queen.' I agree with you that there is no way in this world an English football crowd would sing Jerusalem but I could visualise a Rugby Union crowd singing it at an International match; although I doubt they will. However, I can imagine an English crowd singing something like 'Three Lions' (on my shirt... footballs coming home).

                I always feel that is incongruous to teams to go out and do battle, sweat blood, putting their lives on the line (figuratively speaking) whilst holding the hands of young children. Decades ago when I played a team might have a mascot now its almost a class of junior schoool children.
                I don't know it's amazing what some football crowds latch on to...

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                • Eine Alpensinfonie
                  Host
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 20569

                  Originally posted by cloughie View Post
                  As I said in my response to Anna a newie is the answer.
                  A word of warning. When this idea was mooted a few years ago, a poll suggested the composer most wanted for the purpose was ALW.

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                  • Anna

                    Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                    A word of warning. When this idea was mooted a few years ago, a poll suggested the composer most wanted for the purpose was ALW.
                    Well he does have a good track record of writing popular tunes ....
                    I think this one, Rose of England, by Ivor Novello, would be ideal. It's very rousing, easy to sing, not cursing ones enemies,non-denominational and the rose is the emblem of England. Here sung by Vera Lynn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPmGuXJLXJ8

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                    • cloughie
                      Full Member
                      • Dec 2011
                      • 22110

                      Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
                      A word of warning. When this idea was mooted a few years ago, a poll suggested the composer most wanted for the purpose was ALW.
                      Just put it out as open to anyone to write it - there must be many out there able to do the job. ALW couldn't even put a decent Eurovision song out and as for that thing he did in collaboration with Gary Barlow for the Palace Concert in 2012 - lucky to escape the Tower really.

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                      • muzzer
                        Full Member
                        • Nov 2013
                        • 1190

                        Perhaps ALW could jet back especially for it. Or not. Preferably. Incidentally, skellers is handling the "chart" very well this morning IMHO ...

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                        • antongould
                          Full Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 8774

                          Originally posted by muzzer View Post
                          Perhaps ALW could jet back especially for it. Or not. Preferably. Incidentally, skellers is handling the "chart" very well this morning IMHO ...
                          Indeed treating it with "the respect" it probably deserves .....

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30208

                            I noticed yesterday he was on the Salford shift …
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • antongould
                              Full Member
                              • Nov 2010
                              • 8774

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              I noticed yesterday he was on the Salford shift …

                              IIRC the boy Handley is off conducting for a while ...

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                              • ahinton
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 16122

                                Originally posted by Anna View Post
                                Well he does have a good track record of writing popular tunes ....
                                I think this one, Rose of England, by Ivor Novello, would be ideal. It's very rousing, easy to sing, not cursing ones enemies,non-denominational and the rose is the emblem of England. Here sung by Vera Lynn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPmGuXJLXJ8
                                One problem with this is that David Ivor Davies's work is still in copyright; another might be that an "English National Anthem" by a Welsh composer could be fronwed upon by some.

                                Anyway, why should there be an English National Anthem without those of Wales and Scotland attaining similar stature as such? - i.e as a consequence of abandoning a "British" one?

                                Still can't see the point of national anthems, meself; smacks too much of the I'm English/Welsh/Scottish/Eritrean/whatever so I'm superior to you syndrome...

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