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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostThat's surely got to be one of the worst. Do you suppose that someone wrote those bits of script just to trip/wind CB-H up? (not that this would be any kind of excuse). Should Nicola Benedetti sue? CB-H is supposed to be a violinist too...It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Rolmill View PostMy tooth-brushing slowed momentarily this morning when I thought I heard CBH refer to "Arturo Michelangeli Benedetti" - I really hope that I misheard and she didn't mangle the name of one of the great pianists of the last century...
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Originally posted by ahinton View PostCB-H is supposed to be a violinist too...
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Sometimes I've tried to divert criticism about presenters, on the grounds that they were merely obeying orders. However, the difference between last week and this week would appear to suggest I was in error.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostThere's no "supposed" about it. She's extremely good.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostSometimes I've tried to divert criticism about presenters, on the grounds that they were merely obeying orders. However, the difference between last week and this week would appear to suggest I was in error.
As far as I'm concerned, any Radio 3 presenter who uses their privileged position to take to the media and insult listeners who presume to criticise deserves no mercy. If they don't agree they should just explain why. This is why I think there's a clear distinction between objective criticism and personal insult, and that applies to listeners (us) or the BBC.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by underthecountertenor View PostI've just checked it out. In fact you do CBH a disservice. As I heard it, she referred to 'Arturo Mikel-Andy Benedetti,' but subsequently corrected it to 'Arturo Mikel-Angie Benedetti.'
"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by underthecountertenor View PostI've just checked it out. In fact you do CBH a disservice. As I heard it, she referred to 'Arturo Mikel-Andy Benedetti,' but subsequently corrected it to 'Arturo Mikel-Angie Benedetti.'
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View PostThere's no "supposed" about it. She's extremely good.
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Sometimes I've tried to divert criticism about presenters, on the grounds that they were merely obeying orders. However, the difference between last week and this week would appear to suggest I was in error.
As an aside to (not to say a relief from) this, it's interesting that Michelangeli's study of the violin and the organ reflects that of Alkan who apparently acquired considerable proficiency on both and the same may be said of Jonathan Powell.Last edited by ahinton; 04-11-15, 07:42.
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Originally posted by Rolmill View PostNot sure whether to or - fortunately my electric toothbrush masked the mangle-within-a-mangle nuance.
With instances like this as referred to n this thread, it's surely no wonder that breakfast for me rarely involves anything more than a cup of strong coffee? Its purported status as the most important meal of the day has surely been wholly undermined by certain folk at BBC R3...
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If anything should set anyone against Ms B-H's 'inclusive style' : http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...s-9387557.html
I'd guess this was a deliberately well-timed article to coincide with good listening figures for Breakfast ('Figures released this week, showed that the breakfast show has added 130,000 new listeners since the arrival of Ms Burton-Hill'). Garbage. Nothing has been said here about the most recent quarter's figures released last week. Breakfast had one of its worst figures ever, so clearly Ms B-H has not been getting her full share of the broadcasts. Presumably.
What grates is the air she exudes in articles like this that she is some sort of expert gently nurturing timid new listeners so that they can share her passion for classical music. Coming from someone who twice in the same programme got the name of one of the 20th c.'s most revered pianists wrong and, yes, don't forget, confused Arthur Butterworth,'killed in the First World War' before playing a piece by George Butterworth, again, twice …
If that constitutes an 'attack' , then she should think twice about attacking the 'gatekeepers of some mystical classical high culture' and publicly creating straw men of these gatekeepers wanting nothing to change and calling for a Breakfast programme with 'a 45-minute piece followed by a long exegesis about it'. That is an abuse of her privileged position in having a platform for her personal views and promoting herself.Last edited by french frank; 04-11-15, 09:36.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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S11Originally posted by french frank View PostIf anything should set anyone against Ms B-H's 'inclusive style' : http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-en...s-9387557.html
I'd guess this was a deliberately well-timed article to coincide with good listening figures for Breakfast ('Figures released this week, showed that the breakfast show has added 130,000 new listeners since the arrival of Ms Burton-Hill'). Garbage. Nothing has been said here about the most recent quarter's figures released last week. Breakfast had one of its worst figures ever, so clearly Ms B-H has not been getting her full share of the broadcasts. Presumably.
What grates is the air she exudes in articles like this that she is some sort of expert gently nurturing timid new listeners so that they can share her passion for classical music. Coming from someone who twice in the same programme got the name of one of the 20th c.' most revered pianists and, yes, don't forget, confused Arthur Butterworth,'killed in the First World War' before playing a piece by George Butterworth, again, twice …
If that constitutes an 'attack' , then she should think twice about attacking the 'gatekeepers of some mystical classical high culture' and publicly creating straw men of these gatekeepers wanting nothing to change and calling for a Breakfast programme with 'a 45-minute piece followed by a long exegesis about it'. That is an abuse of her privileged position in having a platform for her personal views and promoting herself.
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