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  • kernelbogey
    Full Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 5735

    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
    Well that all sounds very groovy. So you DO have the spare wheel on the dashboard ?!?!?!?
    Spare steering wheel, of course!

    Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
    Gotta love german engineering.

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    • french frank
      Administrator/Moderator
      • Feb 2007
      • 30209

      Originally posted by doversoul View Post
      Sorry to keep on about it but has there been a thorough review of these campaigns, and a follow-up survey on how many (or at least a trend) new listeners, i.e., those who came to Radio3 to hear Breakfast, have go on to listen to the rest of R3? Or does it not matter as long as more people join in Breakfast?
      I am not privy to BBC matters exempt under the Freedom of Information Act (Everything You Always Wanted to Know About The BBC But They Were Too Embarrassed/Ashamed To Tell You) but I do know that in the last R3 Review there were people who remembered the 'Step Inside' adverts - but they would have been hardly less noticeable than Proms trails on R3, and across most of the BBC services).

      However, they do seem to have a new metric for gauging 'Impact' [sic] - the number of people who contact R3 by email, tweet, text, Facebook, letter(?) which is MUCH greater than it was 20 years ago ... apparently

      But Essential Classics is now (officially) Radio 3's 'flagship' morning programme (it even had its own blog) - the first mid morning programme to have been extended to 3 hours long, and starting at 9am which is when R3's audience hits a peak. Breakfast is now the second team.
      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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      • teamsaint
        Full Member
        • Nov 2010
        • 25190

        Originally posted by kernelbogey View Post
        Spare steering wheel, of course!



        Now I am both confused...and amused.!!

        I think we have a "motoring photographs " sub forum somewhere, and I think you should do the decent thing......!!
        I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.

        I am not a number, I am a free man.

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        • Don Petter

          Originally posted by teamsaint View Post
          Now I am both confused...and amused.!!

          I think we have a "motoring photographs " sub forum somewhere, and I think you should do the decent thing......!!
          I think it must be what we used to call a 'bitsa'!

          (Seltsamenaltenklapprigenanhängselnwenigtretauto Mark IV?)

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          • kernelbogey
            Full Member
            • Nov 2010
            • 5735

            Originally posted by Don Petter View Post
            I think it must be what we used to call a 'bitsa'!

            (Seltsamenaltenklapprigenanhängselnwenigtretauto Mark IV?)
            No Don: more of a Besserdenaltenkerldukensstwieaneues

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            • Bax-of-Delights
              Full Member
              • Nov 2010
              • 745

              The R3 Facebook page has a request for an apology from "Clemmy" for pronouncing "The Corydon Singers" as The CROYDON Singers.

              (Talking of Croydon...I well remember the Croydon Symphony Orchestra performing under the baton of Arthur Davison back in the 60's. I see his son now is musical director. I bumped into Arthur Davison's daughter by chance last year. She is doing musical turns on cruise ships.)
              O Wort, du Wort, das mir Fehlt!

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              • doversoul1
                Ex Member
                • Dec 2010
                • 7132

                Originally posted by french frank View Post
                However, they do seem to have a new metric for gauging 'Impact' [sic] - the number of people who contact R3 by email, tweet, text, Facebook, letter(?) which is MUCH greater than it was 20 years ago ... apparently

                But Essential Classics is now (officially) Radio 3's 'flagship' morning programme (it even had its own blog) - the first mid morning programme to have been extended to 3 hours long, and starting at 9am which is when R3's audience hits a peak. Breakfast is now the second team.
                ... apparently
                ….. obviously

                Does it (being Radio 3's 'flagship' morning programme) have any practical implications? Is Breakfast going to be presented by less high profile presenters who are more conveniently located, regardless of their musical knowledge or presentation styles? And is Essential Classics going to be playing more ‘entry’ kind of music with more interactive elements? Or do you think it has occurred to them that Breakfast as it has become may not be such a very good idea ater all?

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                • amateur51

                  Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                  The R3 Facebook page has a request for an apology from "Clemmy" for pronouncing "The Corydon Singers" as The CROYDON Singers.

                  (Talking of Croydon...I well remember the Croydon Symphony Orchestra performing under the baton of Arthur Davison back in the 60's. I see his son now is musical director. I bumped into Arthur Davison's daughter by chance last year. She is doing musical turns on cruise ships.)
                  Arthur Davison was a star turn at Fairfield Hall, always turning up with a handful of batons, most of which flew into the air and into the orchestra at some point or other.

                  I could never decide if this was due to enthusiasm or a means of keeping the orchestera on its toes

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                  • mercia
                    Full Member
                    • Nov 2010
                    • 8920

                    Originally posted by Bax-of-Delights View Post
                    pronouncing "The Corydon Singers" as The CROYDON Singers
                    if memory serves I think they've had that problem since their inception along with typoes in newspapers.

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                    • vinteuil
                      Full Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 12768

                      ... and yet somehow "'Formosum pastor Croydon ardebat Alexim... " doesn't have quite the same resonance...

                      .


                      ... too redolent of Eric Pode?
                      Last edited by vinteuil; 03-09-14, 14:02.

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                      • Old Grumpy
                        Full Member
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 3594

                        Originally posted by mercia View Post
                        if memory serves I think they've had that problem since their inception along with typoes in newspapers.
                        As a Grauniad reader I do wonder how many typos in newspapers are deliberate, for impact!

                        Some of them read out on R4 comedy shows do sound contrived sometimes.

                        OG

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                        • Oldcrofter
                          Full Member
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 226

                          These must be genuine typos, though:
                          A new book details the crime de la creme of typographical errors, from hotel brochures advertising a 'French widow in every bedroom' to Tea Party signs declaring President Obama's 'crisis of competnce'. Here are some of the finest

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                          • french frank
                            Administrator/Moderator
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 30209

                            An example this morning of what I (me personally ) find deeply cynical about this programme which is specially for 'people with little knowledge of classical music' is how little they do to increase that knowledge. Joyce di Donato sings 'Voi che sapete' from The Marriage of Figaro. Before and after the piece we're told that Joyce di Donato will be in the In Tune studio tonight ("sprinkling her stardust "). But surely, two sentences (not a lecture) of context for those who don't know the opera wouldn't have been out of place? Otherwise, we have to suppose the piece was only chosen as a trail to JdiD's appearance on BBC Radio 3's In Tune, and that as a trail to this year's BBC Proms.
                            It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                            • Stanfordian
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 9308

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post
                              An example this morning of what I (me personally ) find deeply cynical about this programme which is specially for 'people with little knowledge of classical music' is how little they do to increase that knowledge. Joyce di Donato sings 'Voi che sapete' from The Marriage of Figaro. Before and after the piece we're told that Joyce di Donato will be in the In Tune studio tonight ("sprinkling her stardust "). But surely, two sentences (not a lecture) of context for those who don't know the opera wouldn't have been out of place? Otherwise, we have to suppose the piece was only chosen as a trail to JdiD's appearance on BBC Radio 3's In Tune, and that as a trail to this year's BBC Proms.
                              Hiya french frank,

                              It's Just another example of the BBC's obsession with celebrities at the expense of informing the listener. How long will it be before Aled Jones and Alan Titchmarsh are presenting on Radio 3?

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                              • french frank
                                Administrator/Moderator
                                • Feb 2007
                                • 30209

                                Originally posted by Stanfordian View Post
                                It's Just another example of the BBC's obsession with celebrities at the expense of informing the listener. How long will it be before Aled Jones and Alan Titchmarsh are presenting on Radio 3?
                                I know the old 'joke' about the Third Programme and its serious, "A young man is wandering, carefree, through the countryside close to his home, when a little bird perches on a post &c &c ..." explanations. But surely, presenters/scriptwriters can come up with something. But the suspicion is that they don't actually know anything.
                                It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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