Originally posted by Northender
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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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On the question of who puts forward the nominations in the first place, it doesn't escape my cynical attention that the first occasion when Radio 3's morning offering (at least in my memory) is nominated is when it has created so much upset, annoyance and criticism. I reckon they just popped it in, with Chris Evans and the Today programme, with fingers crossed that it might appeal to the jury and be one in the eye for the critics . A sort of wild card, with two solid bankers flying the BBC flag in case it's a failure.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by french frank View PostOn the question of who puts forward the nominations in the first place, it doesn't escape my cynical attention that the first occasion when Radio 3's morning offering (at least in my memory) is nominated is when it has created so much upset, annoyance and criticism. I reckon they just popped it in, with Chris Evans and the Today programme, with fingers crossed that it might appeal to the jury and be one in the eye for the critics . A sort of wild card, with two solid bankers flying the BBC flag in case it's a failure.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostI don't know what all the excitement is about it's clearly a put up job - the BBC using its influence.
Among the jury I can see current or ex-controllers of R1, R2/R6Music and R5Live, and the ex-Manager of CFM, so R3's Breakfast would stand as good a chance as any, I'd think, in that company.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Bit more info about the Sonys fron R3's facebook:
"...the Sony nominations are selected by the Sony Awards panel from a much longer list of submissions".
So the BBC might enter - or submit - a lot of programmes and the panel decides which ones to shortlist as 'nominations'.
I'm not sure that that reassures at all about the panel, which didn't see fit to shortlist any of Radio 3 music programmes at all. And I forgot to post the radio drama nominations:
Best drama
Beryl: A Love Story on Two Wheels – Savvy for BBC Radio 4
Easter & Christmas Diaries – BBC Radio 4 & 4 Extra Presentation for BBC Radio 4 Extra
The Grapes of Wrath – BBC Radio Scotland
My Boy – Somethin' Else for BBC Radio 4
The Resistance of Mrs Brown – BBC Radio Drama London for BBC Radio 4
So not even the Radio 3 drama appealed to our panel. Dominated, as usual, by Radio 4. But what a rubbish COMPETITION it is.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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You are getting nearer ff but your posts are not right. The SRAA can only judge valid applications submitted and paid for. You say that "... the panel, which didn't see fit to shortlist any of Radio 3 music programmes at all..." That sounds like an accusation, when in fact you have no idea whatsoever if other programmes were entered but found wanting.
To get things clear (it's only the 31st year of Sony Awards), the Sony Radio Academy Awards are administered by a Committee of 8 or so senior industry figures. Any radio station can submit an application for a programme to be considered for Nomination in one or more of the specified categories. You just complete the forms, supply mandatory material, present your case and pay the fees. The over/under 10 million category split refers to population within the Total Service Area not listeners.
There are well over 100 Judges drawn from senior ranks across the whole industry (the 5 or you hint at with BBC or CFM connections are hardly significant in that context). The Committee assigns them to one or more award categories to act in teams to a very tight brief and produce a short lst of Nominees who will now be studied in more detail and awarded Gold, Silver and Bronze. The bunfight is next month.
I've worked on print media panels and I've found that great efforts are made to understand background, problems and solutions and everyone acts with total integrity. The applicants including the BBC have no control whatsoever over which judges are assigned to each category.
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Originally posted by Zucchini View PostYou are getting nearer ff but your posts are not right. The SRAA can only judge valid applications submitted and paid for. You say that "... the panel, which didn't see fit to shortlist any of Radio 3 music programmes at all..." That sounds like an accusation, when in fact you have no idea whatsoever if other programmes were entered but found wanting.
There are well over 100 Judges drawn from senior ranks across the whole industry (the 5 or you hint at with BBC or CFM connections are hardly significant in that context).
I think you were understanding what I had no wish to imply.
Add: although Sir Velo's contribution might be a relevant response to my objection.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by antongould View PostYou Sir Ian - a pleasant surprise I was expecting the toaster......
(Yes an early rise for Rumpole today.... )"...the isle is full of noises,
Sounds and sweet airs, that give delight and hurt not.
Sometimes a thousand twangling instruments
Will hum about mine ears, and sometime voices..."
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Originally posted by Caliban View PostSkelly's pure class
(Yes an early rise for Rumpole today.... )
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Originally posted by antongould View PostYou Sir Ian - a pleasant surprise I was expecting the toaster......It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Oliver
The Valkyries were flying overhead today as I had my breakfast...as they so often do.
Overplaying particular works does them no favours; I love Wagner but I never wish to hear The Ride again.
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