The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[antongould]

I see that this morning there was technically part of a single movement - the allegro from the first section of Mozart's violin sonata K 379 but not the adagio which comes just before it (I suppose it made sense as there'd already been the adagio from Spartacus, recalling that good old TV series). But also Rosamunde, Una furtiva lagrima, the Overture from Lawrence of Arabia, the Flight of the Bumblebee, April in Paris, the Karelia Suite, Handel in the Strand, a bit from a bit of the Four Seasons, about 8 other single movements, plus bits of suites. Is this the best ever Hall of Fame soundalike? (I know people like Farewell to Stromness, so I don't include it - I always expect to hear P McCartney joining in.)

Yes, I know, this is what Breakfast is supposed to be like but ...

For those who are bored by the carping:

It was mostly generated by an article in the Times on what pieces of classical music should children be exposed to to set them off on the path to FOR3. There was as you can tell a very wide list of suggestions offered some of which were played until the great man RC entered the fray with Rite of Spring and we all, of course, agreed.

While I'm on - there has been some grumbling of late about the presenters constantly saying what a superb performance each piece played was - which it seems is not the thing to do? SMP totally abstained from this but RC was at it like a dog at a bone. Was he not always thus? Even of the much vaunted CD Masters? In his case is it allowed?

[teamsaint]

I don't like Farewell to Stromness horribly dull little piece, a real CFM Hall of Fame special.Classic FM though from my occasional dips in, is rapidly becoming more civilized and professional than parts of R3.

Classic FM may well be spotting gaps in the market. I would imagine they might get a favourable response from their audience, and draw new listeners in if, for instance, they championed some more British music .

[teamsaint]

It was mostly generated by an article in the Times on what pieces of classical music should children be exposed to to set them off on the path to FOR3. There was as you can tell a very wide list of suggestions offered some of which were played until the great man RC entered the fray with Rite of Spring and we all, of course, agreed.

While I'm on - there has been some grumbling of late about the presenters constantly saying what a superb performance each piece played was - which it seems is not the thing to do? SMP totally abstained from this but RC was at it like a dog at a bone. Was he not always thus? Even of the much vaunted CD Masters? In his case is it allowed?

I always assume in the case of RC that he has selected a performance that really is of a high quality. Deffo allowed in his case !!

[Suffolkcoastal]

10 years or so ago CFM used to have a reasonable amount of British music in their 'full works' evening concerts, I certainly agree that with R3s lack of real interest in many British composers and other composers thar are now sidelined by the station, there is an opportunity for CFM to take advantage and even introduce a programme like 'discovering music' into their schedule. Perhaps if CFM did more of this it might wake the Dear Leader and his Politburo up, but somehow I doubt it.

[vinteuil]

... we had the Trout quintet at about 04:55 on Music thro' the Night. And we had the Trout quintet (one movement of, natch) at about 06:40 on Breakfast...

that was 7 March.

Today 9 April:

... we had the Mozart oboe qtt at about 05:50 on Music thro' the Night. And we had the Mozart oboe qtt (one movement of, natch) at about 06:35 on Breakfast...

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

and that bloody Marca from Karelia again zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz r3 has ruined a perfectly good piece by their overexposure of it as one of their playlist lollipops innit?

r3 never known to miss an opportunity to insult the TWC eh .......

[kernelbogey]

It was mostly generated by an article in the Times on what pieces of classical music should children be exposed to to set them off on the path to FOR3. [...]

Extraordinarily generous of the Times and Breakfast. I hope ff has noted...!

[aeolium]

that was 7 March.

Today 9 April:

... we had the Mozart oboe qtt at about 05:50 on Music thro' the Night. And we had the Mozart oboe qtt (one movement of, natch) at about 06:35 on Breakfast...

And on Monday 8 April on EC, there was a performance of Dvorak's second piano quartet even though that work had been in a live Po3 the previous Friday. I only noticed this as I was specially tuning in for the BaL selection of Myrthen, which the Dvorak followed - I don't usually tune in before midday at the earliest.

Edit: had the Dvorak not been played there would have been more than enough time for the broadcast of all the Myrthen songs rather than just a few - most of them are quite rarely heard.

[french frank]

It was mostly generated by an article in the Times on what pieces of classical music should children be exposed to to set them off on the path to FOR3.

FoR3 or R3? Sounds as if they should be gently nudged towards Classic FM, since that is what they specialise in. BBC services are statutorily prohibited (how often does one have to say this?) from offering similar programming to existing commercial stations.

While I'm on - there has been some grumbling of late about the presenters constantly saying what a superb performance each piece played was - which it seems is not the thing to do?

No, it's not. It's reflected on Facebook too, with R3 contributions constantly telling us what wonderful programmes they're treating us to. And on air, they're probably only reading it off their scripts, anyway.

As far as I can see, the real snobs are people who think it's rather fine to listen to such works/programmes on Radio 3 but who would turn their noses up at listening to them on Classic FM.

Nothing's 'perfect': Classic FM has its ads and easy listening entertainment values; Radio 3 should have its more formal, risk-taking style and production staff who really know about classical music. Those should be the choices.

[aka Calum Da Jazbo]

...er not to forget Jazz and World Music ff .... the presenters in Jazz are experienced professionals not nearly so sure about the back office ... or management

[french frank]

...er not to forget Jazz and World Music ff .... the presenters in Jazz are experienced professionals not nearly so sure about the back office ... or management

I don't forget about them, CdaJ - but the real dissatisfaction is about the presentation and repertoire of the classical output: as you say, 'the presenters in Jazz are experienced professionals'. You may have serious grouses about the coverage, but a lot of that focuses on the lack of it, or the way the existing coverage is mucked about with.

[Suffolkcoastal]

I've noticed that they've taken last weekends presenter's picture of the Breakfast playlist for those days (he obviously was that bad!), though still haven't updated the playlists. I suppose this means I'll have to listen to both programmes all the way through in order to keep my survey accurate, plus 2 hours of Gafferty and friends as the out of tune playlist is missing entirely from last Friday, the things I do for accuracy. It's a pity the R3 webpages aren't continually kept up to date and accurate. I must have told them about it 20 times or more now, its quite clear that the Dear Leader doesn't give a damn.

[french frank]

I've noticed that they've taken last weekends presenter's picture of the Breakfast playlist for those days

How strange - they now have a toaster with two pieces of toast (not intended as a comment, I suppose).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01rr6l7

[Black Swan]

French Frank

I thought you were joking but you weren't. Well let's see how the toaster does......

The playlist is now up.

[antongould]

The playlist is now up.

The power of FOR3.........

Suffolkcoastal if in future you have gaps why not follow the current methodology of UK commerce - when you have no data use data that suits your argument. - so fill it with the usual suspects......