The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[MickyD]

When I hear the word “re-imagine” I reach for the off button.

Very much like when I see the word 'revisited' for classic dishes on menus in France.

[Pulcinella]

When I hear the word “re-imagine” I reach for the off button.

I find this re-imagining very effective (and fun to sing):

Williams, Roderick - Ave Verum Corpus Re-imagined

https://www.prestomusic.com/classical/works/275584--williams-roderick-ave-verum-corpus-re-imagined/browse

But in general I agree, and avoid them like the plague.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Very much like when I see the word 'revisited' for classic dishes on menus in France.

The chef James Martin agrees with you. He hates the phrase ‘my “take”on this classic French dish.’
As he says there is no “take” on Steak Diane - it’s just a steak with a relatively simple sauce….

[Roger Webb]

When I hear the word “re-imagine” I reach for the off button.

Actually this one not bad at all....good cover too - I was lucky enough to walk along past this phone box in Malvern before it was defaced.....the 'fate' of even ones that have only a passing resemblance to 'Banksys'......either that or they're stolen!

https://open.qobuz.com/album/qqm1i4k15n2kb

[Ein Heldenleben]

Actually this one not bad at all....good cover too - I was lucky enough to walk along past this phone box in Malvern before it was defaced.....the 'fate' of even ones that have only a passing resemblance to 'Banksys'......either that or they're stolen!

https://open.qobuz.com/album/qqm1i4k15n2kb

Yes well these are quality musicians. But is arranging a quartet for strings really “re-imagining?”

Which reminds me that I went to a BSO concert some weeks ago and they played Shostakovich’s Chamber Symphony which I’d never heard before. The strings played it very well and as it unfolded I realised that it was very familiar especially the famous knock on the door chords. Glancing at the programme I realised it was in essence the 8th Quartet. Such is Shostakovich’s masterly skill I think it’s fair to call it a re-imagining.,

[Roger Webb]

Yes well these are quality musicians. But is arranging a quartet for strings really “re-imagining?”

Which reminds me that I went to a BSO concert some weeks ago and they played Shostakovich’s Chamber Symphony which I’d never heard before. The strings played it very well and as it unfolded I realised that it was very familiar especially the famous knock on the door chords. Glancing at the programme I realised it was in essence the 8th Quartet. Such is Shostakovich’s masterly skill I think it’s fair to call it a re-imagining.,

Yes, that would have been Rudolf Barsai's arrangement, as it was the BSO. I saw him conduct many times when he brought that orchestra to Bristol - late 70s-early80s.

Funnily enough I was listening to BR Klassik's evening concert last night, and they finished with the Barsai arrangement of the first movt. of Mahler 10...bigger sound than the usual Cooke we hear - although I always thought that Mahler had completed the Adagio.

[Ein Heldenleben]

Yes, that would have been Rudolf Barsai's arrangement, as it was the BSO. I saw him conduct many times when he brought that orchestra to Bristol - late 70s-early80s.

Funnily enough I was listening to BR Klassik's evening concert last night, and they finished with the Barsai arrangement of the first movt. of Mahler 10...bigger sound than the usual Cooke we hear - although I always thought that Mahler had completed the Adagio.

Yes you’re right it was Barshai’ s not DSCH’s . It should get a more frequent outing .

[oddoneout]

... Or why Richter's "The Four Seasons Recomposed" has to be repeated, endlessly, on R3?

Because it's 'accessible' classical - like Karl Jenkins. Heaven forbid the poor dears are exposed to something like Christina Pluhar's reworkings*...

*Not that I like those but at least there is some scholarship behind them.

[smittims]

I think 're-imagined' is another euphemism along with 'curated'. I find it rather meaningless. I have enjoyed some string quartets played by string orchestras (much depends on how the part-writing is managed) but a more ambitious job was Gerge Szell's version for symphony orchestra of Smetana's first quartet. That really does add a dramatic dimension to the music, I feel. He recorded it for CBS (now SONY) and it's on YouTube.

Another version of the Matthews/Elgar is on SOMM CD 0145 and some may find the coupling more interesting: Matthews' arrangement of Malcolm Arnold's second quartet and Bob Simpson's arrangement of the Allegro deciso from his own third quartet.

[MickyD]

The chef James Martin agrees with you. He hates the phrase ‘my “take”on this classic French dish.’
As he says there is no “take” on Steak Diane - it’s just a steak with a relatively simple sauce….

Good for him - I have an excellent cook book of his!

[Pulcinella]

Good for him - I have an excellent cook book of his!

Hasn't he asked for it back?

[Roger Webb]

Good for him [James Martin] - I have an excellent cook book of his!

I was intrigued to learn that he was a humble saucier in the kitchen at the Hostellerie de la Plaisance in St Emilion at exactly the time we stayed there....shame we didn't have the Steak Diane!....I remember being impressed with the cheese board and the desert trolley....oh, and the fabulous encyclopedic wine list - we were asked by the sommelier whether we wanted wines from St. Emilion...or the rest of the world!

[LMcD]

I was intrigued to learn that he was a humble saucier in the kitchen at the Hostellerie de la Plaisance in St Emilion at exactly the time we stayed there....shame we didn't have the Steak Diane!....I remember being impressed with the cheese board and the desert trolley....oh, and the fabulous encyclopedic wine list - we were asked by the sommelier whether we wanted wines from St. Emilion...or the rest of the world!

A humble saucier ... what?

[Roger Webb]

A humble saucier ... what?

French for cheeky-chappie!

[oddoneout]

A humble saucier ... what?

The one for the moggy's food...