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  • Ein Heldenleben
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    • Apr 2014
    • 6783

    Originally posted by vinteuil View Post

    ... I think it's also appropriate within the academical community for professional academics to have their doctorates acknowledged - for professional porpoises only, though. Plus the occasional honorary one - Dr Johnson, Dr Burney. And possibly ecclesiastics. But certainly not in this case
    I deleted my original post so this excerpted sentence doesn’t make sense without it. I deleted it because it’s just not worth writing about but to summarise I think it’s misleading to use the title Doctor in any field that has a medical element. It’s perfectly ok to use the title doctor in an academic context where it might be important professionally . Mark Porter is a medically qualified doctor (specifically he is a Bachelor of Medicine ). He also is a practising GP. Quite a few medical doctors do not use the title when they give up their licence to practise ,
    Last edited by Ein Heldenleben; Yesterday, 15:07.

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    • Sir Velo
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      • Oct 2012
      • 3229

      Originally posted by Master Jacques View Post

      But those trailers - especially for the anodyne pap of Classical Unwind perpetrated by "Dr. Sian Williams" (who except the terminally insecure would insist, like this one does, on the "Dr." in this context?) - are the limit.
      Clearly the form of address is designed to denote the medical authority required to curate a programme of such lofty, therapeutic ambition!

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      • french frank
        Administrator/Moderator
        • Feb 2007
        • 30294

        Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post

        Clearly the form of address is designed to denote the medical authority required to curate a programme of such lofty, therapeutic ambition!


        (I have Dr on my bank cards to inspire confidence in the people I'm paying. No point changing after I stopped teaching). One thing I hate is the title Doctor rather than Dr. Who addresses anyone as Mister or (what?) Missus? As in Me and the missus? Doctorates are ten a penny now anyway. They give them away in the Co-op if you buy 3 easy meals,
        It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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        • AuntDaisy
          Host
          • Jun 2018
          • 1654

          Originally posted by french frank View Post


          (I have Dr on my bank cards to inspire confidence in the people I'm paying. No point changing after I stopped teaching). One thing I hate is the title Doctor rather than Dr. Who addresses anyone as Mister or (what?) Missus? As in Me and the missus? Doctorates are ten a penny now anyway. They give them away in the Co-op if you buy 3 easy meals,

          Do they offer 10% discount on Tuesdays? E.g. throw in a free Masters...

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          • oddoneout
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            • Nov 2015
            • 9204

            Originally posted by Sir Velo View Post

            Clearly the form of address is designed to denote the medical authority required to curate a programme of such lofty, therapeutic ambition!
            Perhaps they thought the whiff of "science" would pacify those of the R3 audience who would question what the hell such twaddle was doing under the R3 banner?

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            • oddoneout
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              • Nov 2015
              • 9204

              Originally posted by french frank View Post



              (I have Dr on my bank cards to inspire confidence in the people I'm paying. No point changing after I stopped teaching). One thing I hate is the title Doctor rather than Dr. Who addresses anyone as Mister or (what?) Missus? As in Me and the missus? Doctorates are ten a penny now anyway. They give them away in the Co-op if you buy 3 easy meals,
              I had to re-read that to get over Dr. Who messing up my brain's interpretation of the sentences!

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              • Pulcinella
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                • Feb 2014
                • 10944

                Originally posted by oddoneout View Post
                I had to re-read that to get over Dr. Who messing up my brain's interpretation of the sentences!
                Me too!

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                • AuntDaisy
                  Host
                  • Jun 2018
                  • 1654

                  Originally posted by french frank View Post

                  (I have Dr on my bank cards to inspire confidence in the people I'm paying. No point changing after I stopped teaching). One thing I hate is the title Doctor rather than Dr. Who addresses anyone as Mister or (what?) Missus? As in Me and the missus? Doctorates are ten a penny now anyway. They give them away in the Co-op if you buy 3 easy meals,
                  ... and me. (I watched "Inferno" last night.)

                  Q: Should it have been "Dr.. Who"? Or, does that just look silly?

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                  • Pulcinella
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                    • Feb 2014
                    • 10944

                    Originally posted by AuntDaisy View Post
                    ... and me. (I watched "Inferno" last night.)

                    Q: Should it have been "Dr.. Who"? Or, does that just look silly?
                    Dr for Doctor is really a contraction, not an abbreviation, so even in situations/publications where full stops are used it does not warrant one.

                    Contractions are a type of abbreviation in which letters from the middle of the word are omitted. Examples include: Dr (Doctor), St (Saint), Ltd (Limited), Revd (Reverend).
                    The implication here is that 'Rev.' would be correct, but even there I'd omit it.

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                    • french frank
                      Administrator/Moderator
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 30294

                      Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                      The implication here is that 'Rev.' would be correct, but even there I'd omit it.
                      Dr no full stop, Rev. full stop, Revd no full stop.
                      It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.

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                      • Old Grumpy
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                        • Jan 2011
                        • 3616

                        Originally posted by french frank View Post

                        Dr no full stop, Rev. full stop, Revd no full stop.
                        Well, I've been well and truly educated - thanks Cdr!

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                        • smittims
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                          • Aug 2022
                          • 4155

                          What still grates with me is 'The Reverend Jones', where I was always taught it should be 'the Reverend Mister Jones' or 'The Reverend Alan Jones'.

                          And as far as I recall it was always Doctor Who? not Dr. Who . I think it's only in the first episode that he was addressed as Doctor Who?

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                          • AuntDaisy
                            Host
                            • Jun 2018
                            • 1654

                            Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post
                            Dr for Doctor is really a contraction, not an abbreviation, so even in situations/publications where full stops are used it does not warrant one.
                            The implication here is that 'Rev.' would be correct, but even there I'd omit it.
                            Thanks French Frank & Pulcinella - I live & learn.

                            BTW, the Right Reverend Reverend Wright appeared in Radio Active's "God Alone Knows" episode.

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                            • cloughie
                              Full Member
                              • Dec 2011
                              • 22126

                              Originally posted by french frank View Post

                              Dr no full stop, Rev. full stop, Revd no full stop.
                              …and if you lose your revs completely you’ll come to a full stop.

                              Back at the Doctors - Dr Feelgood would prescribe ‘Milk and Alcohol’ !

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                              • kernelbogey
                                Full Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 5748

                                Originally posted by Pulcinella View Post

                                Dr for Doctor is really a contraction, not an abbreviation, so even in situations/publications where full stops are used it does not warrant one..
                                The rule I learned - though I forget from which magisterial publication, probably the Author's and Editor's Dictionary - is that if the 'abbreviation' includes the last letter of the full original, no full stop should be used - hence Dr for Doctor but Rev. for Reverend. The magisterial publication did not this explain by way of 'contraction', but perhaps that's what you mean, Pulcers?

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