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The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View Post
Identification of certain "iconic" works and musical excerpts divorced from their original meanings with "what people want to listen to" serves to reinforce a false notion of culture as a mere consumable, as opposed to lived experience preserved to benefit future generations.
Those who get irritated - or worse - with this programme might try approaching it as a sort of Musical Dim Sum - a magazine programme that features musical items. Where else would a news story from the Isle of Man prove the perfect introduction to Beethoven's Opus 129?
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Originally posted by LMcD View Post
This morning's Breakfast 'show' (Petroc's description, not mine) included 'the conclusion of Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht'. According to my calculations, we joined this piece at approximately 5.08 a.m.
Those who get irritated - or worse - with this programme might try approaching it as a sort of Musical Dim Sum - a magazine programme that features musical items. Where else would a news story from the Isle of Man prove the perfect introduction to Beethoven's Opus 129?It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by LMcD View Post
This morning's Breakfast 'show' (Petroc's description, not mine) included 'the conclusion of Schoenberg's Verklärte Nacht'. According to my calculations, we joined this piece at approximately 5.08 a.m.
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I find it very frustrating and even, at times, disturbing, to hear only part of a work when I was expecting the whole piece. It's not what Radio3 should be about . I know that William Haley's dictum 'no cuts, no fixed points' applied to the Third Programme, but it's still a lapse in standards.
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Originally posted by smittims View PostI find it very frustrating and even, at times, disturbing, to hear only part of a work when I was expecting the whole piece. It's not what Radio3 should be about . I know that William Haley's dictum 'no cuts, no fixed points' applied to the Third Programme, but it's still a lapse in standards.
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Originally posted by Serial_Apologist View PostI would rather not have begun listening at all had I known that the end would be cut short, so it must be far worse for anyone for whom the music is new.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Old Grumpy View Post5.08am...
Breakfast doesn't start until 0630h, does it?Last edited by LMcD; 30-01-24, 17:11.
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Originally posted by smittims View PostI find it very frustrating and even, at times, disturbing, to hear only part of a work when I was expecting the whole piece. It's not what Radio3 should be about . I know that William Haley's dictum 'no cuts, no fixed points' applied to the Third Programme, but it's still a lapse in standards.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
It started when Radio 3 started mimicking Classic FM. The commercial station had a kind of excuse, because they needed to interrupt the music with adverts. But instead of showing the world how much better the BBC could do, they followed, rather than leading, as they have done so often in recent years.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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Originally posted by Eine Alpensinfonie View Post
It started when Radio 3 started mimicking Classic FM. The commercial station had a kind of excuse, because they needed to interrupt the music with adverts. But instead of showing the world how much better the BBC could do, they followed, rather than leading, as they have done so often in recent years.
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Originally posted by french frank View Post
Does Radio 3 persuade/coax/train/educate listeners up to its (putative) level of cultural excellence?
I was learning German at school and remember the thrill of hearing for the first time on R3 Schiller's An die Freude in Beethoven's Ninth. When William Mann, (whose name I had come across as a translator of Goethe's poetry as set by Schubert, Wolf etc), praised the Beatles publicly as successors of Schubert, it was a delight to me and a shock to most of the cultural elite who generally showed lofty distaste for "pop culture". Young people got their music from Radio Luxembourg and pirate stations. Auntie Beeb didn't get around to setting up R1 until 1967, by then too late for me, alas.
R3 may lately have upset some traditionalists by trying to be populist and approachable with some of its programming. If programmes of that type don't appeal to me, I simply don't listen. With any luck there will be a live lunchtime Lieder recital coming up. With a range of broadcasting 24/7 there is always going to be enough to stimulate and entertain. I can't judge if R3 is mimicking Classic FM since I never listen to the latter.
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Originally posted by gurnemanz View Post
Oh dear.... I was there in the 60s as a teenager, open to being coaxed into the BBC's wonderful world of cultural excellence, unlike most of my school pals who wouldn't go near Third Prog/R3 with a bargepole. I did listen to it occasionally despite the atrocious medium wave sound, but the truth is that rather than being persuaded and coaxed, I felt as if I was tiptoeing into a highbrow alien world, which I was not going to be part of and which seemed to assume a level of prior knowledge and experience which I did not possess. The presentation style and much of the content was literally a turn-off.
Originally posted by gurnemanz View PostWith a range of broadcasting 24/7 there is always going to be enough to stimulate and entertain. I can't judge if R3 is mimicking Classic FM since I never listen to the latter.It isn't given us to know those rare moments when people are wide open and the lightest touch can wither or heal. A moment too late and we can never reach them any more in this world.
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And in any case, there are umpteen other radio channels broadcasting nothing but continuous pop and easy listening ; it isn't something one needs to seek; one can scarcely avoid it . R3 is the only place whore one can (less often than before ) hear complete works of intellectually-stimulating music, drama, poetry, discussion. There is simply no excuse for not doing that all the time .
And there need be no concern about 'too much' of that ; one doesn't have to listen all day. Who was it said 'remember that it is as important to switch off, as to switch on.'?
...wel, it was Sir John Reith, actually.
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