The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[Serial_Apologist]

The marketing department? They think, rightly or wrongly, that that's going to attract a big audience. From that point of view, the older we get the less relevant our preferences . We have an aging population, so they may be wrong, but they're unlikely to lose any sleep over it.

Many of my generation lived through the music of the 1960s and 70s - in my case the jazz and contemporary music, and some of the Progressive rock - it was part of our landscape. I do wonder if today's youth experience life filtered through music in the same way. I think probably young black people do: I find I often cross paths with young black women, in particular, singing along to their headphones as they walk down the street or through the supermarket. Black guys one often sees listening to very loud R&B, Rap, Soul or Reggae on their car stereos, so they often do, but unless it's someone practising I don't hear loud music coming from people's homes to anything like the same extent I did when young, when showing your tastes to the world seemed to be a mark of display, which it undoubtedly is with those guys with loud beat boxes in their cars.

[kernelbogey]

So long as it stays on Saturday, and that one outing is sufficient to tick the relevant box, I can live with ( although I don't have to like) it, as that is now the one day of the week when I rarely listen to R3. What would be a concern is if the listener response is seen as a green light to extend "the offer" to other days - ie go back to the bad old days.

I'm very appreciative of this and the posts subsequent to it. Right now I'm involuntarily awake with insomnia and being soothed by Mendelssohn Octet for strings on TTN. In general, I find most baroque music, most pre-C20 chamber music - though not to exclude properly classical music - is the most soothing for mental distress of whatever kind. Given the very particular nature of TTN, a quite soothing (say) baroque piece may be immediately followed by a more strident piece - which for me could be Shostakovich, R Srauss, or even some LvB.... Then I have swiftly to deploy the off switch, although if I don't, it does not (as for FF) negate the prior soothing.

Mendelssohn's Octet (in fact played by more than eight ) has now given way to Robert Schumann IV, which has pleasantly soothing qualities for me going back to teenage years, so back to bed now with him....

(Above is not for me off-thread, although I've given TTN for examples, because much of what I've written would apply to Breakfast. But the Saturday show is really off-limits for me, simply because the presentation is strident in its effect on me in the way I've described.)

[french frank]

Then I have swiftly to deploy the off switch, although if I don't, it does not (as for FF) negate the prior soothing.

Not unusually, I'm in a minority . I do think of calm as being a state being currently experienced. I can't think how irritation - or indeed sudden 'stridency' - doesn't end the calm. Unless one has become so sedated that one snoozes comfortably and doesn't experience it as irritating?

[kernelbogey]

Not unusually, I'm in a minority .

I do think of calm as being a state being currently experienced. I can't think how irritation - or indeed sudden 'stridency' - doesn't end the calm. Unless one has become so sedated that one snoozes comfortably and doesn't experience it as irritating?

I have been known - if only to me, up to now - to have slept through an entire Shostakovich symphony, having been lulled to sleep by an earlier (in two senses) piece from the baroque era on TTN.

So I think this is a complex subject. I am aware, from my very few and brief attempts to listen to Saturday breakfast, that I can become enraged - truly! - by presentation that belongs, IMVHO, on another network (preferably on another continent, and the other side of the Equator). That really does require (a) deploying the off switch, and (b) shouting words that I couldn't possibly document here, at the now silent radiio.

[oddoneout]

Not unusually, I'm in a minority . I do think of calm as being a state being currently experienced. I can't think how irritation - or indeed sudden 'stridency' - doesn't end the calm. Unless one has become so sedated that one snoozes comfortably and doesn't experience it as irritating?

The degree to which irritation or abrupt/unwanted interruption breaks calm or mood will vary between individuals and circumstances. Some things will cause significant disruption regardless but on other occasions I think the disruption is as much about personal reaction to the type and cause of the break as anything else and as such there is an element of control and restoration of previous state. I am all too aware that the adverse effects of the crass R3 adverts are at least as much to do with resentment about the fact of their imposition and my lack of control over them as about the break of mood from the music that may have preceded them. Efforts to avoid getting riled sometimes pay off. With the likes of Breakfast it isn't so much of an issue given the fragmented nature of the music, as with the longer material programmes where, eg, adverts during the Afternoon Concert slot, and evening concerts where inept presenter interjections impinge on a much more extended mood state are more disruptive. Even so I think there can be an element of personal control about reaction to that - but that may be me and coping strategies as I can't let off steam at the time grumbling to someone else about it!

[kernelbogey]

....I am all too aware that the adverse effects of the crass R3 adverts are at least as much to do with resentment about the fact of their imposition and my lack of control over them as about the break of mood from the music that may have preceded them....

[DracoM]

What gets me about them is that you come to hate them so much that you make a resolve NEVER to listen to what they are blurbing about!!

[cloughie]

Many of my generation lived through the music of the 1960s and 70s - in my case the jazz and contemporary music, and some of the Progressive rock - it was part of our landscape. I do wonder if today's youth experience life filtered through music in the same way. I think probably young black people do: I find I often cross paths with young black women, in particular, singing along to their headphones as they walk down the street or through the supermarket. Black guys one often sees listening to very loud R&B, Rap, Soul or Reggae on their car stereos, so they often do, but unless it's someone practising I don't hear loud music coming from people's homes to anything like the same extent I did when young, when showing your tastes to the world seemed to be a mark of display, which it undoubtedly is with those guys with loud beat boxes in their cars.

Your posting reminds of when one evening in a French town I heard blasting out through a window Keef Hartley Band’s Half Breed album. This was in the 80s - an album which I played many times when it first came out in 1969. ‘Leaving Trunk’ which started side 2 one of many great tracks, and ‘Too much thinking’ which featured Henry Lowther on electric violin. OK this is way off topic but all part of the this forum’s chat.

[letterreader202]

Not so much "in case there's something on" ff but knowing that there will be something, indeed probably several somethings, which will be worth hearing/give me pleasure/make me think, and that I won't have to wait long for them. And yes it is comforting in some respects, but fortunately we haven't yet got to the stage of that being a bar to listening to R3.

Some years ago, just before I retired, I was working in London but drove home to Scotland (and back again) for holidays six times a year. I started off travelling with a supply of my favourite CDs but after a few trips decided that I preferred the serendipitous pleasures of Radio 3 on the radio. There were occasions when I simply had to change but, on the whole, R3, with occasional forays into R4, could keep me going for the whole journey.

[kernelbogey]

Some years ago, just before I retired, I was working in London but drove home to Scotland (and back again) for holidays six times a year. I started off travelling with a supply of my favourite CDs but after a few trips decided that I preferred the serendipitous pleasures of Radio 3 on the radio. There were occasions when I simply had to change but, on the whole, R3, with occasional forays into R4, could keep me going for the whole journey.

Welome, letterreader202!

[kernelbogey]

Gemuetliche Tragant-Walzer on now by Oscar Straus - who Martin revealed wrote a Wagner parody, Die lustigen Nibelungen. Now that would be something for a Saturday evening on R3!

[Serial_Apologist]

Gemuetliche Tragant-Walzer on now by Oscar Straus - who Martin revealed wrote a Wagner parody, Die lustigen Nibelungen. Now that would be something for a Saturday evening on R3!

His mum was awarded an Oscar for it!

[Joseph K]

Always nice switching on and hearing Spem in Alium...

[NatBalance]

I was absolutely astonished to hear complaints about Mario Lanza being played on this show. This is very sad. Why the complaints about one of the best tenors ever? We should hear more of him I say. There seems to be a faction of classical music lovers who do not like anything that is popular, but yet I never see any complaints about jazz on R3. What are the reasons for these complaints?

[cloughie]

My intolerances are quite broad, though!

Talking of intolerances I have a New Year’s Resolution suggestion for Petroc - Do not play any more Mario Lanza or The Watersons.