The Eternal Breakfast Debate in a New Place

[oddoneout]

Of course, one could argue that they don't have to take on the job in the first place. So, what are the pressures to accept what is in effect a dishonest and disingenuous agenda? Does one need to be uninformed in the first place - if so what does this say about education and recruitment? Aren't they are part and parcel of more general pressures in society - to go along with, acquiesce to, in order to fit in with what society in its wisdom chooses to value and in what ways? You have to be able to come up with a pretty coherent critique to be able to stand up to this kind of subliminal bullying; even then speaking out with tact can be a risky undertaking: you may be voting for your own penury; but in the end you can look back and say at least you didn't betray your principles.

It's always possible that the people in question (presenters) don't see things in quite the same way as critics of the shows do?

[Serial_Apologist]

It's always possible that the people in question (presenters) don't see things in quite the same way as critics of the shows do?

Yes but that doesn't get us much further, does it?

[french frank]

You should try liking a presenter ff ..... life affirming....

Life-affirming: a. transitive. To assert or reinforce the value of (life) through a positive, uplifting, or intense experience or activity; to endow (one's own life) with value in this way. Cf. life-affirming adj. at life n. Compounds 1b(b).

By their life-affirmatory interests shall ye know them.

[antongould]

Life-affirming: a. transitive. To assert or reinforce the value of (life) through a positive, uplifting, or intense experience or activity; to endow (one's own life) with value in this way. Cf. life-affirming adj. at life n. Compounds 1b(b).

By their life-affirmatory interests shall ye know them.

I know my place ..... I look up to ........

[oddoneout]

Yes but that doesn't get us much further, does it?

I just thought that the picture you painted of brow-beaten and bullied employees might not be accurate for all, and that some of those involved maybe see a valid purpose in what they do, beyond simply paying the bills.
Apologies if not all my comments come with an action plan that can be implemented.

[antongould]

I just thought that the picture you painted of brow-beaten and bullied employees might not be accurate for all, and that some of those involved maybe see a valid purpose in what they do, beyond simply paying the bills.
Apologies if not all my comments come with an action plan that can be implemented.

I don’t think it is totally accurate ........

[Quarky]

For me, not liking and therefore not listening to morning schedules, cherry picking, decontextualising are all of a piece with the manner of the music's presentation, and in total the reason I criticise. Were the music to be presented as it is, or, at least, in the spirit in which it was composed - which means at least attempting to identify the spirit, meaning its context and time - presenters would not be presenting in that condescending way that demeans the listener's intelligence as much as the original inspiration, without which the misrepresented music would never have existed, by implying they can't possibly be intelligent enough to take more on board.

To put on a serious demeanour while hosting music in this particular guise would be a parody. And yet, there was a time when a serious demeanour went hand-in-hand with Radio 3, and Radio 3 with bringing understanding and depth to culture's richest endowments.

This is why I question those who support this type of programming and its presentation: it's analogous to telling the person you've just slept with, "I have to confess, I fell in love with your nose. Nothing else, just your nose. Don't ask me to consider anything else about you; I'm not interested - and from your point of view I will never be able to get my rocks off if you overcomplicate things by telling me all there is to know about yourself". In simple terms, it's all about reductionism - as is so much of the way we're led to approach life, until that is we find out different.

The logic is impeccable, but ultimately it is a subjective view. It seems to me that your view is allied to EA's oft-repeated view that Breakfast should be replaced by complete works.

I enjoyed KM's twists to the Breakfast Programme. Breakfast is rather like a packaged meal that you might buy from Sainsbury's, and KM has repackaged it slightly, with addition of Scottish music, electronic music, Jazz (AACM!), and very importantly, all with a sense of humour. Fine with me!

Presenters are obviously professional employees and do what they are told. They must have a detached view as to the music presented, perhaps not too different from a professional musician playing Eine Kleine Nacht Musik for the umpteentht time.

[french frank]

Breakfast is rather like a packaged meal that you might buy from Sainsbury's

By which you presumably mean 'that one might buy from Sainsbury's'; or even 'that I, Quarky, might buy from Sainsbury's'? If anything damned the programme in my eyes, it would be that!

[vinteuil]

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... what is a 'packaged meal'?

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[cloughie]

By which you presumably mean 'that one might buy from Sainsbury's'; or even 'that I, Quarky, might buy from Sainsbury's'? If anything damned the programme in my eyes, it would be that!

Or even 2 3 or more might buy from Sainsburys!

Actually the analogy is not very good as the ‘meal deals’ give some choice!

[Quarky]

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... what is a 'packaged meal'?

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for example - bangers & mash:: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/...rs---mash-450g

[antongould]

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... what is a 'packaged meal'?

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Cambois is awash with them vints .........

[Quarky]

By which you presumably mean 'that one might buy from Sainsbury's'; or even 'that I, Quarky, might buy from Sainsbury's'? If anything damned the programme in my eyes, it would be that!

One might suppose that ff is on the S_A side of the breakfast table, then?

[vinteuil]

for example - bangers & mash:: https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/gol-ui/...rs---mash-450g

... good lord - "O brave new world, that has such things in 't!”



INGREDIENTS: Mashed Potato (Potato, Butter (Cows' Milk), Semi Skimmed Cows' Milk, Salt, White Pepper), Pork Sausage* (20%) (British Pork, Fortified Wheat Flour (Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Water, Dextrose, Salt, Stabiliser: Sodium Triphosphate; White Pepper, Parsley, Yeast Extract, Sage, Mace, Ginger, Nutmeg), Water, Onion, Caramelised Red Onion Chutney (Caramelised Red Onion (Red Onion, Brown Sugar), Red Wine Vinegar, Red Wine (4%), Dried Onion, Cornflour, Onion Stock (Onion Concentrate, Sunflower Oil, Salt, Sugar), Garlic Puree), Cornflour, Beef Juices, Fortified British Wheat Flour (Wheat Flour, Calcium Carbonate, Iron, Niacin, Thiamin), Tomato Puree, Rapeseed Oil, Red Wine Vinegar, Salt, Beef Gelatine, Colour: Plain Caramel; Caramelised Sugar Syrup, Black Pepper.


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[vinteuil]

Cambois is awash with them vints .........

... o, we're going to do just fine -

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g1511805-d3168542-r664464988-Charltons-Blyth_Northumberland_England.html

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